Nazarene Professor Giberson Says Jesus Is An Evolutionist

Note: Recently I was interviewed by Russ Jones of the OneNewsNow internet newspaper, of American Family Radio.  You can read a summary of the interview here: “Mysticism Infecting Nazarene Beliefs“.  May the Lord keep giving us additional avenues of disseminating the truth to as many Christians as possible.

Dr. Karl Giberson is more and more each day stepping out with thoughts that challenge the Bible’s authority and believability.  He apparently feels that he can say anything he wants to now, even if it goes against traditional biblical and Nazarene teachings.  I would ask the leadership at Eastern Nazarene College and board of directors, and I will, to what lengths will you go to ignore everything he says no matter what?  Will he or others ever cross a line that says to you that this cannot continue unchallenged?  Ken Ham, a non-Nazarene, and Dr. Albert Mohler, a non-Nazarene, have challenged this professor’s teachings that contradict scripture.  Will any Nazarenes do the same?  I agree with Ken Ham, Dr. Karl Giberson is clearly undermining the Bible with his words.  When will he stop?


Is Jesus An Evolutionist?
by Ken Ham, Answers In Genesis
4/11/2011

A Nazarene college professor believes He is! Karl Giberson, from Eastern Nazarene College (located on Boston’s south shore), wrote this on a CNN website. The Nazarene school’s website states, “Karl Giberson teaches science and religion, and directs the honors program at Eastern Nazarene College. He is one of the leading scholarly voices in America’s ongoing controversy over evolution.”

What has this academic scholar at a Nazarene college written lately? From the religion blog at the CNN website, he wrote an article entitled “Jesus would believe in evolution and so should you.”

Here are some excerpts from Dr. Giberson’s commentary—which in itself is an attack on the Word of God. And really, because Jesus is the Word (John 1:1–2), an attack on God’s Word is also an attack on the Son.

Giberson states the following:

When science began in the 17th century, Christians eagerly applied the new knowledge to alleviate suffering and improve living conditions.

First of all, “science” means knowledge. What he is referring to is modern empirical science—based on repeatable, observable facts. Such empirical science has enabled us to develop technology, medicines, etc. For this we are all grateful. Whether a scientist is an evolutionist or creationist, we can applaud them for the great technological advances because of operational (or observational) science. But Giberson then steps out of discussing observational science and steps into historical science (beliefs about the past).

But when it comes to the truth of evolution, many Christians feel compelled to look the other way.

From the context of the article, we see that by “evolution” he is referring to Darwinian evolution—molecules to ape-like creatures to man. This is not “truth.” It is a belief about the past. He then demeans Gods inspired (“God breathed,” 2 Timothy 3:16) Word by stating the following:

They hold on to a particular interpretation of an ancient story in Genesis that they have fashioned into a modern account of origins—a story that began as an oral tradition for a wandering tribe of Jews thousands of years ago.

Giberson is actually applying his belief in evolutionary history to the Bible. He assumes that people in the past were not as intellectual or as intelligent as people today. Giberson has a very different view of inspiration than that of orthodox Christians. He obviously does not see the record of Genesis as “God breathed.” Yet in the New Testament (Romans 5 and 1 Corinthians 15, to name just a couple of references), the apostle Paul referred to events in Genesis as real history—foundational to the gospel. Jesus, in Matthew 19, quoted from Genesis 1 and 2 as real history—as the foundation for the doctrine of marriage.

Jesus is the Truth. He is the Word. To claim that Genesis is just an ancient story that “began as an oral tradition for a wandering tribe of Jews” is to attack the Word of God, and thus it is an attack on the Son of God, who is the Word.

He continues.

This is the view on display in a $27 million dollar Creation Museum in Kentucky. It inspired the Institute for Creation Research, which purports to offer scientific support for creationism.

Those who have actually been to the Creation Museum know it is a place the honors God’s Word and proclaims the gospel.

Later in the article, Giberson states the following:

For more than two centuries, careful scientific research, much of it done by Christians, has demonstrated clearly that the earth is billions years old, not mere thousands, as many creationists argue. We now know that the human race began millions of years ago in Africa—not thousands of years ago in the Middle East, as the story in Genesis suggests.

So Paul was wrong in 1 Corinthians 11 about the origins of humans when he twice stated that the woman is of the man? Paul said that the woman (the first woman, Eve), came from the man (a reference to God creating Eve from Adam’s side in Genesis 2). To believe in evolution as Giberson does, one must believe that woman came from an ape-woman and man from and ape-man.

The Bible makes it clear that man was made from dust and woman from his side. Jesus, in Matthew 19, quoted from Genesis 2:24 regarding the “one flesh,” thus clearly stating that the Genesis 2 account is literal history. So if Giberson is right, Jesus didn’t tell the truth, and Paul was wrong. So what is the Bible really? If it is fallible, who determines which bits are fallible?

Giberson goes on to again state that evolution is fact.

And all life forms are related to each other though evolution. These are important truths that science has discovered through careful research. They are not “opinions” that can be set aside if you don’t like them. Anyone who values truth must take these ideas seriously, for they have been established as true beyond any reasonable doubt.

Well, there is one verse of Scripture that comes to mind.

Let God be true but every man a liar. (Romans 3:4)

Giberson then discusses supposed evidence for evolution. This evidence is all countered and answered clearly in various articles on answersingenesis.org.

Later in the article, he states the following:

Christians must come to welcome—rather than fear—the ideas of evolution. Truths about Nature are sacred, for they speak of our Creator. Such truths constitute “God’s second book” for Christians to read alongside the Bible. . . . To understand how the heavens go we must read the book of Nature, not the Bible.

This is a similar concept to one taught by Hugh Ross, that nature is the 67th book of the Bible. However, nature is cursed! It is affected by sin. And nature doesn’t “say” anything. Fallible man has to interpret nature. The only way to ensure one has the right basis to interpret it correctly, is to build one’s thinking on the history revealed in Scripture.

When this is done, we understand that nature is suffering from the affects of the Fall. The whole creation groans because of sin (Romans 8:22). One doesn’t look at the creation and see billions of years. That is an interpretation made by fallible man, and that interpretation is incorrect.

The written Word of God makes it clear that thorns came after the curse, yet there are fossil thorns in rocks said to be supposedly millions of years old. The Bible makes it clear that death, disease, and suffering are the result of sin; but death, disease, and evidence of violence and suffering abounds in the fossil record. This record had to come after sin—not millions of years before man.

Giberson continues.

The Book of nature reveals the truth that God created the world through gradual processes over billions of years, rather than over the course of six days, as many creationists believe.

Actually, the Bible does state that God created in six days (Exodus 20:11). Read the account for yourself. Where does it state billions of years? It doesn’t. And where do you read in “the book of nature” that the world is billions of years old and that life evolved? You read this in man’s fallible books, as fallible man who “suppresses the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1), as Giberson is doing, then imposes this story (and that’s what it is, a made-up story) on nature.

He then states the following:

Evolution does not contradict the Bible unless you force an unreasonable interpretation on that ancient book.

What he is saying is that evolution doesn’t contradict the Bible, unless you take the Bible as written. As long as you reinterpret God’s Word—thus undermining its authority—you can make God’s Word mean anything you want to make it to mean.

Giberson ends the article with the following:

To these questions we should add “What would Jesus believe about origins?” And the answer? Jesus would believe evolution, of course. He cares for the Truth.

Here are the words of Jesus (He is the Word—so any quote of Scripture is to quote Jesus).

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)

The entirety of Your word is truth. (Psalms 119:160)

Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust.For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words? (John 5:45–47)

You can read Giberson’s entire Bible-undermining commentary at the following link:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/10/my-take-jesus-would-believe-in-evolution-and-so-should-you/

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13 responses to “Nazarene Professor Giberson Says Jesus Is An Evolutionist

  1. These statements should not come as a surprise to anyone. Giberson and the Church of the Nazarene have been promoting this for some time.

    I remember when I was a student at Liberty University one of the theology professors introduced the concept the the Bible may not be completely true in a Monday morning lecture, on Friday there was a new teacher. If the CotN was truly concerned about the condition of their theology and what was being taught in their schools they would remove this teacher and others like him.

    It is interesting to note that the CotN only believes the Bible is without error in regards to salvation. If this is true how could Giberson use the Bible to prove Jesus was an evolutionist? Seems like yet another inconsistent position.

    Grace and Peace

  2. Brother Manny since the watchmen in the COTN apparently have their heads in the sand in your opinion what is the chain of command for this type of heresy in the COTN? Is there anyone who has the authority to immediately remove or remedy this situation?

  3. It’s only because the CotN is willing to chuck the Bible under the bus on everything except salvation (Article IV statement of faith) that Giberson’s teaching is not only tolerated, but in many circles, considered correct. How can we say any part is true with confidence, if we reject the rest?

    Giberson opens his article with Jesus’ claim to be the truth. So why doesn’t he believe Jesus told the truth when citing the Genesis account?

    Sorry to be so blunt on the under the bus comment. I know a delegation tried to plug that hole last General Assembly, and i know many of us believe the Bible is infallible and inerrant in all it says, but it bothers me greatly that those with the ability to amend the articles of faith see no reason to do so.

  4. The short answer for me, Rev Rick, is that I honestly don’t know if anyone in authority is willing to step up. I hope I am proven wrong.

  5. I wonder how Eastern and other colleges would react if they started getting letters from Nazarene churches stating that their college representatives will no longer be welcome to show up and plug their colleges at these churches. That may come off as harsh, but maybe that’s what needs to happen, that the church actually stands up and says “Enough!”

    We live in a “don’t judge or criticize me” society, and this has changed into an unwillingness to call anybody on the carpet for serious biblical violation. We’ve confused hateful criticism with genuine biblical rebuke, and are paying the price for it.

  6. Manny,
    There was a time in not to distant past that the COTN believed in the inerrant infallible word of God. And its ministers, with God given conviction, preached the whole counsel of God. Speaking for myself, I believed that I would be held accountable for how I treated His word, and that conviction has not changed.

    Little by little we have seen a drifting away from holiness as a second work of grace. And as a result our leadership has become weak and unable to stand-up against the heresy being taught and those who proclaim such nonsense.

    The proof is, we are witnessing its poison that has crept into our education arm and into many churches and continues to go unchallenged by those in leadership. Now is not the time for political correctness but a cleansing of the temple.

    For Dr. Giberson to state; “When it comes to the truth of evolution many Christians feel compelled to look the other way” is asking Christians to surrender their conviction on his unproven words. His statement goes unchallenged by those who have been given the responsibility to oversee the spiritual welfare of the church.

    Sad to say, we are living in a time when men want to be recognized as experts in their field of study and will do or say almost anything to gain that recognition. I am often reminded of those who profess to be wise, they became fools. Romans [1:22]

  7. enterthevein, there is a lot of pressure from district leadership on local pastors to support these
    institutions. A local pastor would be risking his career if he took a stand. This fact is why many local pastors choose to be silent and let others pay the price.

  8. I have wondered for several years now, after I became painfully aware of what some of these professors and college presidents believe, “how come they are not removed?” I currently pastor a small Nazarene congregation in North Georgia and what I am reading here is truly heart breaking. Often I have wondered, “what has happened to the denomination that I have loved?” My grandfather, and great grandfather, were both Nazarene pastors, and they would weep over what the church has become. The reality of the church moving away from it’s roots has been recognizable for many years, but this must be the last straw. I believe the whole Bible to be the infallible, inerrant, Word of God, and I still preach “second blessing” holiness, because I believe it with all of my heart. We need leadership in the church today that have a backbone. Leaders who are “sold out” to the Lord Jesus Christ and are not afraid to take a stand for absolute truth and righteousness. God help us to wake up, we have fallen asleep!

  9. I believe evolution is as possible as creationism, but I believe God would be responsible for both. I think it’s more likely we were created in a way (and changed/grew or “evolved”) that is beyond our human explanation. Why is there such a divide to how God may or may not have created us?

  10. That’s the problem, Justin. Too many simply refuse to believe all of the Bible, and decide on their own, what they think is true or not true. I choose to believe what God said in Genesis. There would be no divide if we all trusted what God has written. Instead, many Nazarenes and other Christians have succumbed to the old words of the serpent in the Garden, “Hath God indeed said?” Thus the total disarray in our denomination today, with folks like Karl Giberson sowing doubt into the minds of many Christians.

  11. Justin, “believe” is the right word. From everything I’ve read it’s about belief systems.

    From what I have read the fossil record does not support evolution therefore it’s belief systems. When I visit a Natural History Museum I see the bones of extinct dinosaurs and that doesn’t prove evolution so we are all looking at dino bones through the lenses of our belief systems till we can see observable proof that we came from primordial goo.

    Do some research on Evolutionists and their belief systems and the countries that adapted their belief systems. When you have done that then you can’t tell me that both views are compatible with God as Creator giver of Life or their views on the value of human life.

  12. Anonymous said, …. “doesn’t know about it or doesn’t care”

    Apathy and Ignorance are the enemies.

    Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

    2 Corinthians 10:1-5 1 By the meekness and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you—I, Paul, who am “timid” when face to face with you, but “bold” when away! 2 I beg you that when I come I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be toward some people who think that we live by the standards of this world. 3 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

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