Trevecca Leaders Continue Indoctrination Of Heresy

2 Peter 3:17-18 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

We are under obligation by our Lord Jesus Christ to expose, as often as it happens, the errors of lawless men who continue to teach another gospel.  It matters not one bit how well liked or famous they are, how many degrees they have, and how many awards they receive every year.  The wolves that have crept into our Christian universities are leading countless youth down an attractively wide path of destruction, while they continue to receive the plaudits of their colleagues who are more interested in their academic freedom rather than the truth of God’s word.  Under the oft-used “we are a liberal arts school” excuse, they expose students to doctrines of demons.  At the very least, we must shine the light of truth on them, in order to rescue at least one student from their unbiblical ideology.

And so, under the leadership of President Dan Boone, Trevecca Nazarene University has continued in the same error filled ways.  Once again, they have scheduled a Spiritual Formation Retreat, in February 2012.  The only good news I see is that they are limiting the retreat to only 25 students.  This time it will not be at the Abbey of Gethsemani (spiritual home of the late Trappist monk Thomas Merton, one of the modern day fathers of contemplative spirituality who mixed Buddhism with Christianity).  (Here is the new retreat site: http://www.lorettocommunity.org/who-we-are/loretto-motherhouse/)    But the influence of Merton, Henri Nouwen and other mystics are just the same.  Moving the venue does not change a thing.  Here’s just a little bit about a monk who is very popular now amongst the emergent church crowd, and continues to influence Nazarene pastors and university leaders after his death.

In his description of Thomas Merton, David Cloud says:

Thomas Merton (1915-68), was a Roman Catholic Trappist monk whose writings are influential within Catholicism, the New Age movement, the peace movement, as well as the centering prayer movement that lies at the heart of the emerging church and that is permeating evangelicalism.

How influential was he?   Here’s what Ray Yungen says:

“What Martin Luther King was to the civil rights movement and what Henry Ford was to the automobile, Thomas Merton is to contemplative prayer. Although this prayer movement existed centuries before he came along, Merton took it out of its monastic setting and made it available to and popular with the masses” (A Time of Departing, p. 58).

From David Cloud’s article on Merton, we learn how he died.  He was in Bangkok, Thailand, participating in an interfaith dialogue of contemplatives. The conference began with a welcoming address from the Supreme Patriarch of Thai Buddhism (Living with Wisdom, p. 235). In the final talk of his life, Merton said:

“I believe that by openness to Buddhism, to Hinduism, and to these great Asian traditions, we stand a wonderful chance of learning more about the potentiality of our own [Christian] traditions, because they have gone, from the natural point of view, so much deeper into this than we have. … Now I will disappear from view, and we can all go have a Coke or something” (Merton: A Film Biography, 1984).

He then went to his cottage and was electrocuted by a faulty fan switch.

Thomas Merton’s influence on Trevecca leadership continues.  The contact for the retreat is Brent Tallman, Director of Campus Spiritual Formation.  But he’s not the only one who has bought into the unbiblical practice of “the silence.”  Trevecca President Dan Boone is just as responsible for this, and all the others who are complicit in allowing this yearly retreat to occur.  Oh, but it’s so much more than simply another retreat that is the problem at Trevecca and other Nazarene schools.

Here is what Trevecca’s website says as it promotes what is basically a “Christianizing” of pagan practices, which Dan Boone believes is okay:

How does one learn about silence?  By being silent.
How does one hear the voice of God?  By listening.

Scripture says that, “faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”  Rom. 10:17

What is being promoted in this retreat is not a focus on hearing the voice of God through His word, but to become silent and somehow have God speak to you directly.  But if someone tells you that he heard God’s voice, how would you know if it was not actually a demonic voice?  They also say this:

So the goal of this retreat will be to help us minimize distractions and noise, so that we might gain a better understanding of how to be silent and how to truly listen for the voice of God.

So what they are saying here is, to truly listen to the voice of God, we must be silent.  Is this how we are taught to listen to God?  Where is the biblical basis for this?  Is this the technique Neal Donald Walsch used before he wrote his book, Conversations With God, in which he claims he actually had conversations with God?  How does one believe him, and not me, or someone else?


Union with God in prayer requires us to learn to quiet ourselves–yes, from the noises which surround us, but also from inward noises (restlessness, fears, our agenda’s, etc.)  It is this stillness and emptiness which allows us to be open to hearing the voice of God.

Union with God?  Stillness?  Emptiness?  Emptiness allows us to be open to the word of God??  Where is this remotely taught in scripture?  I can tell you, it is not.  Dan Boone and the emergent church people try justifying practicing the silence by quoting Psalm 46:10.  (“Be still, and know that I am God”).  He needs to read all of Psalm 46 in context, and he should know that it has nothing to do with practicing the silence.  Why do so many ordained elders in the Christian church today twist scripture for their own agenda?

This is a consistent promotion of not only mysticism and pagan prayer methods invented by man and not found anywhere in scripture, but also an encouragement of ecumenism and fellowship with those who practice a false works-based religion.  Instead of rescuing their students from the clutches of the false system of Rome, these leaders are recklessly sending our students directly back to what those from the Reformation were rejecting, year after year now.

In a response to one of my previous posts, Dr. Boone suggested to his followers that they should just “stun them with our silence” (that is, those Nazarenes who reject his ideology).  How ironic that he does not practice what he suggests, and instead rips into “fundamentalist Christians”, equating them with jihadists.  Dr. Boone also has claimed that we have made false statements about Trevecca, yet he has never substantiated that claim. In a Trevecca student blog post, Dr. Boone said:  “I only argued with them in the first place because they were making false claims about Trevecca, and to expose them for who they really are—religious fundamentalists,” Boone said. “But you can’t have discussions with people whose minds are already made up.”

Dr. Boone has never shown us what the false claims he purports we have made.  If only Dr. Boone and others would make their minds up instead of blowing around like the wind every which way and never “coming to the knowledge of the truth”.

Dr. Boone and those in leadership who are with him on this ought to be ashamed of what they are doing, and I call on them to repent.  If not, the board of trustees of Trevecca ought to dismiss Dr. Boone and all who are supporting this nonsense.  If not, then is there any reason for continued financial support of this school, and others as well?  To continue peddling false doctrines to the youth at Trevecca and expect our money is wrong.  Dr. Boone has said that Henri Nouwen is a spiritual guide for him.  Henri Nouwen was a universalist who also mixed Eastern religion with Christianity.  And who did Henri Nouwen look to for guidance?  Thomas Merton.

In his alumni spotlight page at Nazarene Theological Seminary (which for some reason has vanished), Dr Boone said: “I find myself deepening in the practices of spiritual formation that have shaped the saints of the ages, Lectio Divina, fasting, Sabbath observance, care for the poor, journaling, and contemplative prayer.”  Perhaps Dr. Boone never thought anyone would ever make such a fuss about all this.

Years ago, it would have been unthinkable  to me that a Nazarene university would be led by such blind guides into such apostasy!  Dr. Boone and all those who are supporting this heresy need to repent.  And yes, I know, he does not answer to me.  However, I know that there is One that he will answer to someday.


Additional Notes:

http://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/conversation-with-a-university-president/

http://sadnazarene.wordpress.com/category/dan-boone/

http://trevechoesonline.wordpress.com/2010/02/18/controversy-causes-massive-mess-under-one-denomination/

Dan Boone on Sexual Orientation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDBoBhIqfwQ&feature=player_embedded

Thomas Merton:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=217sRJ3QFEE&feature=related

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18 responses to “Trevecca Leaders Continue Indoctrination Of Heresy

  1. Leviticus 19:18 is the source of the oft quoted “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

    Leviticus 19:17 tells us to “Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.”

    Just wanted to share that with you.

  2. Manny,

    Could it be we are looking at this the wrong way? After all Spiritual Formation Retreat 2.0 retains a nice palette of contemplative practices while adding social justice and radical environmentalism. Overall not a bad upgrade.

    For those who wonder why association with Roman Catholic doctrine and practice is not a good thing, here is a nice refresher:

    http://rrrapostasyalert.blogspot.com/2011/11/95-specious-lies-of-rome.html

    Here in east Tennessee there is big support for Trevecca, naturally. It is only 2 – 2 1/2 hours away. The east Tennessee DS gives his full blessings, as do the pastors in this area. They see nothing wrong. MANY Nazarene parents around here send their children there without a second thought. Oh well.

    In closing I would like to remind us of a “quote” by Dan Boone:

    “I am proud of our university and wish to let everyone know that if your cup of tea is the kind of “Christianity” posted here, Trevecca probably isn’t for you. We won’t be trying to conform to these folk, nor soft-pedaling around them. But if you are looking for a Wesleyan-forsaken, allegorical Bible interpreting, big tent, contemplative practice teaching, servant/leader oriented, labyrinth praying, serious-about-bringing in the kingdom now national research university of the highest calibre – check us out. We’re open for business and loving life on the hill.”

    EDITORIAL NOTE FROM MANNY: Mike did a slight revision of Dr. Boone’s comments to make a point about what he believes Dr. Boone really thinks:

    The actual comment from Dr. Boone was: “I am proud of our university and wish to let everyone know that if your cup of tea is the kind of “Christianity” posted here, Trevecca probably isn’t for you. We won’t be trying to conform to these folk, nor soft-pedaling around them. But if you are looking for a Wesleyan-rooted, Biblical, hospitable, spiritual-formation teaching, servant-oriented, prayerful, serious-about-changing the world national research university of the highest calibre – check us out. We’re open for business and loving life on the hill.”

    Here is the link to the original comment by Dan Boone: http://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/are-there-any-fundamentalist-nazarenes-and-are-they-jihadists/

  3. I have a problem with the concept of “social justice,” because oftentimes it’s more based upon political bias than true justice in the legal sense. As for the environmentalism, again, I find it interesting that those who advocate environmentalism always seem to resort to the iron fist of government and use clean air as a stepping stone for increased government power.

  4. This argument is so full of fallacies and false pretenses. As an alumni and supporter of the University, but mostly as lifelong Nazarene, I am ashamed at constant tirades made at this University. Since Dr. Boone’s arrival, Trevecca has a dramatic impact not only on the lives of students on campus, but the community in surrounding neighborhoods and throughout Nashville. I struggle with anyone voicing concern about spreading the Word of God and shining that Light for the benefit of the Kingdom.

  5. Please if you will, for once, give one- one example of a fallacy or false pretense in what was reported here. I don’t think you can, because you cannot defend what is clearly unbiblical. You have also bought into the lies that Dr. Boone and others are helping to spread. God help the students at Trevecca to not fall for this stuff.

  6. What is really a waste of time is to allow comments such as those that say nothing of substance. They always accuse us of lying and making false statements, (including Dan Boone), but can never point out the lies- because there are none in this post. It’s all true what is being done at Trevecca. They just cannot justify these things as being in obedience to God’s word. Anonymous will not come back to reply with anything of substance- because he/she can’t. I do pray that folks like Anonymous come to see the truth of God’s word soon, and stop blindly following people like Dan Boone, Tom Oord, Dennis Bratcher, Karl Giberson, and many others who are spreading false teachings in the Nazarene denomination and its schools.

  7. Dr. Boone also has said this:

    “Now, I must confess a sin. I did not listen to some friends who told me that I would not find a rational conversation here. I am most likely viewing these websites for the last time and would urge all thinking Christians to join me in the exit. Maybe we can stun them with our silence. In the meantime, I am working on a book called “A Charitable Discourse on the Things that Divide Us”. I’ll discuss Jihad in the church. Trevecca will soon post an open letter to the Reformed/Concerned Nazarenes.”

    An open letter was never posted from Trevecca, to my knowledge.

  8. Manny;
    An excellent post exposing some of the things that are going on campus at Trevecca. The quote by Dr. Boone referenced to by Mike Yonce defines who the person is and what he believes. Therefore It is no mystery why Trevecca can sponsor a “Spiritual Formation retreat.”

    I also noticed that on campus as part of Spiritual Formation activities there are “Guided Prayer Walks” and “Virtual Prayer Walks” The guided walk “is a place where participants can get away from all the busyness of their lives and dedicate an hour to prayer, contemplation of Scripture, and personal spiritual commitment.” The virtual prayer walk “can be used throughout the year as a time for alumni, friends, and parents to familiarize themselves with the campus and to pray for students, faculty, staff, and administrators.” No time limit is set, but the walk takes about one hour to complete.

    To me this defies Biblical teaching and reminds me of a conversation that Jesus had with a Samaritan woman recorded in John [4:20-24] Here the Samaritan declared their place of worship was on a mountain while the Jews declared their place of worship was in Jerusalem. There was always a difference of opinion between the two as to the proper place to worship. The truth was that their worship was a defective worship because they neither worshiped in “Spirit or inTruth.” It was a formality without any real substance. In v.24 Jesus said; “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

    The prayer walks as described above becomes little more than avenues promoting a rote practice of prayer, and becomes mechanical repetition of something so that it is repeated often without any real meaning or significance. I equate this in my opinion to mirror what Jesus was warning the Samaritan woman. May our leadership stop these pagan practices before more souls are lost in a false sense of worship.

  9. Good post Lige. The guided prayer walk is Dan Boone’s re-naming of their labyrinth practice, after it was brought to more light last year.
    Your description of what these things are and do is very accurate. That’s the 60 thou dollar question- what will the leadership do?

  10. Brother, I wish you’d go to Trevecca, sit with the students, and hear what they have to say about how studying at Trevecca is impacting their lives and offering them a whole new picture of what the Kingdom is. If you have not done so, I would encourage you to do so. Otherwise you’d be speaking without direct knowledge of the subject.
    I wish you’d read the works of Nouwen and Merton – you don’t have to embrace all they say, but at least recognize they can make a contribution to your spiritual life. Have you done so?
    I wish you’d participate in a spiritual formation retreat in order to learn to speak (or write) less and listen more. For indeed, faith comes from hearing, but hearing means that you pay attention to what others say, and not simply wait for them to finish speaking so you can re-affirm your point of view. Have you ever been part of a spiritual formation retreat?
    Just in case you are wondering – I live on the other side of the ocean and from here you have no idea how narrow-minded some of the comments on this page appear. Still, I believe you have a contribution to make to the Kingdom and the Church of the Nazarene. But I think that for the contribution to be effective a bit more grace is needed.

  11. I’m sorry, David. First thing I will say is that if you believe the way Merton and Nouwen believed, I certainly cannot call you a brother in Christ.
    Secondly, false teaching needs to be exposed, and those who promote it need to be exposed. Simple as that. Sometimes they need to be dealt with straight forwardly and harshly.

    What the students have to say has nothing to do with this report. A “whole new picture of the Kingdom”, as you said, is probably what is wrong at Trevecca. If I sat with the students at Trevecca, it would be to testify of God’s perfect, infallible word He has given us, and to tell them they don’t need to do these works based means of “getting to know God.”

    I have read enough of the works of Merton and Nouwen to know they were heretics and preached a perverted gospel, if they did at all. I have never even read of a testimony of true biblical conversion from them, never mind their universalism and mixing Buddhism with Christianity. That’s the devil’s work, not God’s.

    Let’s finish that partial quote you gave me: “So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” Rom. 10:17 That’s the context of that scripture. I listen to God via His word, not to other people’s imaginations that contradict God’s word.

    No need to go to a spiritual formation retreat- when I already know they promote heresy there. If I went, it would be to stand there and call them out for their evil practices.

    I have no problem being “narrow-minded”, as you put it, if that means to be obedient to God’s word. That kind of accusation does not bother me or others in the least.

    Lastly, I pray that you will come to trust in God’s word- not these inventions of man. They can lead a lot of people straight to hell.

  12. Thanks for your concern and prayers for my eternal destiny. I am glad it depends on faith in the life, death and resurrection of Christ, and not on embracing your view of what Christianity is.
    It does strike me that you seem to be more concerned with getting Scriptures right than you are with getting Christ right. I think the Pharisees and teachers of the law of Jesus’ time had the same problem. They seemed to be more concerned with defining who is out of the Kingdom based on the Law, than they were with listening to what Jesus was saying.
    I still have no problem calling you a brother in Christ. Ultimately Christ is going to save his followers not based on their faulty theology, but on the fact that they are His, cleansed by His blood and renewed because they are branches of the true Vine.
    And, as the Spirit of Christ works in you, I pray that you may see that being part of the Kingdom is more than believing in biblical inerrancy and chastising others for not doing so.
    May God bless you, keep you, and transform you more and more in His image.

  13. David,
    I’ll go with this one more try, but I’m losing my patience. I need substantive, biblically grounded answers on this blog, or else the conversation ends. Please explain your statement: “It does strike me that you seem to be more concerned with getting Scriptures right than you are with getting Christ right.”

    To me, getting Christ right is only through knowing His word. How else can someone get Christ right? I pray that you yourself are not teaching students and misleading them, because you obviously support the heresies Trevecca is promoting.

    But please do if you can, explain that statement for us and show us how that can be sound according to God’s word.

  14. Brother, patience is one of the fruits of the Spirit according to Galatians 5:22. You’d do well to ask the Lord for more of it.

    I will be brief – and will do so with the words of Jesus.
    “You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me!” (John 5:39)
    These words were said to religious people who, like you, loved the Scriptures (Law) and yet could not see the new and greater things God was doing in Christ, and the New Kingdom Christ had come to usher in. They were said to people who had an intellectual knowledge of God and His Word; a sterile knowledge, however, that did not produce any useful fruit.
    Your love for the Scriptures is admirable. And the Scriptures are a supreme gift to be studied accurately and applied to life. The Scriptures are God’s Word “spoken” to us. No other book compares.
    Yet, the Scriptures are not God, but an instrument so that we may come to the knowledge of God. Yet in your theology you seem to have substituted the knowledge of God for the knowledge of Scriptures. This is idolatry, whether you understand it or not. You have turned the Scriptures into an idol, just like the Pharisees did with the Law.
    And, in doing so, you are missing Christ. Because the call of Scriptures is not for us to know Christ intellectually, for us to become a reflection of Christ as we are transformed by the Spirit (2 Cor 3:18). It is a transformation of the whole person.
    You can love the Scriptures as much as you want, but if this love does not produce the kind of Christ-like transformation the Scriptures themselves call you to, you are wasting your time and are hurting yourself and others.
    And the kind of transformation and character traits the Scriptures call you to exhibit are these: “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control” (Gal 5:22-23)
    It would be wonderful to see more of these in this blog. So far we see a lot of accusation of other believers. Yet, the job of “Accuser of the brethren” is already taken and the enemy needs no help from you.

    Sorry – that was a little longer than I planned. But since this is my final post on this page, I wanted to say farewell trying to be comprehensive.

    Brother, you have a lot of passion. Use it to help build the Kingdom.
    May the peace of Christ be with you.

  15. You are perhaps a fan of Brennan Manning? He seems to have popularized the idea of “bibliolatry” to those who hold the Scriptures with utmost respect, because they are the word of God- inerrant, infallible.

    David, this is from Matthew Henry’s commentary, which hits the nail on the head regarding the authority of Scripture:

    “Acts 17:10-15 The Jews in Berea applied seriously to the study of the word preached unto them. They not only heard Paul preach on the sabbath, but daily searched the Scriptures, and compared what they read with the facts related to them. The doctrine of Christ does not fear inquiry; advocates for his cause desire no more than that people will fully and fairly examine whether things are so or not. Those are truly noble, and likely to be more and more so, who make the Scriptures their rule, and consult them accordingly. May all the hearers of the gospel become like those of Berea, receiving the word with readiness of mind, and searching the Scriptures daily, whether the things preached to them are so.”

    That is not idolatry of Scripture. It is complete respect for the word of God, and the words of Jesus. You folks seem to want to reject the importance of God’s word, and rely on some subjective, mystical knowledge of Jesus without trusting what His word says. It is a shame that those you are entrusted to teach are not being reinforced with this biblical principle of lining up everything with what God’s word says, and rejecting whatever does not comport with God. The practices at Trevecca that I have spoken of DO NOT line up with God’s word, therefore MUST be rejected.

    The knowledge of God comes from the Scriptures. Guided by the Holy Spirit, as we read God’s word, He reveals His will to us. How do you learn God’s will? Sitting around practicing the silence, waiting to “hear” God that way?

    You seem to disagree that those of us who expose false teachers should be saying anything at all- or that we should meekly disagree but not put up such a big fuss. You guys want to dialogue or have a long running “conversation.” Here’s what a Bible believer really thinks, which I agree with totally because he backs up everything with God’s word. It’s part of a longer post by David Cloud of Way of Life Ministries. Sorry it’s a bit long, but makes the point and rejects your thinking on this. I’ll be re-posting some of what he wrote, because it says it well in addressing the compromise that is going around today like a fast spreading virus. Brother Cloud believes in the inerrancy of scripture, in the doctrine of separation, and in preaching the whole counsel of God. You and your emergent friends would do well to heed all of Scripture. That is what I will pray for.

    FROM DAVID CLOUD (Way of Life):
    Paul wasn’t much of a dialoguer. He called false teachers “dogs” and “evil workers” (Phil. 3:2). Of those who pervert the gospel he said, “Let them be accursed” (Gal. 1:8, 9). He called them “evil men and seducers” (2 Tim. 3:13), “men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith” (2 Tim. 3:8), “false apostles, deceitful workers” (2 Cor. 11:13). He named the names of false teachers and called their teaching “vain babblings” (2 Tim. 2:16, 17). He warned about “philosophy and vain deceit” (Col. 2:8). He plainly described their “cunning craftiness.” When Elymas tried to turn men away from the faith that Paul preached, Paul wasted no time with dialogue. He said, “O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10). He warned about false teachers who would come into the churches and called them “grievous wolves” (Acts 20:29) and their teaching “perverse things” (Acts 20:30). Those who denied the bodily resurrection were called “fools” (1 Cor. 15:35-36). He warned about false christs, false spirits, false gospels (2 Cor. 11:1-4). He labeled false teaching “doctrines of devils” (1 Tim. 4:1). In the Pastoral Epistles Paul warned of false teachers and compromisers by name 10 times.

    And what sort of dialoguer was Peter? He wasn’t very good at it. He was much too plain spoken about heresy. Of the false prophets in his day and those he knew would come in the future, he labeled their heresies “damnable” and warned of their “swift destruction” (2 Pet. 2:1). That would end a good dialogue right there, but he wasn’t finished. He called their ways “pernicious”; said their words were “feigned”; and boldly declared that “their damnation slumbereth not” (2 Pet. 2:3). And he isn’t even wound up yet. He warned them of eternal hell (2 Pet. 2:4-9) and called them “presumptuous” and “selfwilled” (2 Pet. 2:10). He likened them to “natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed” (2 Pet. 2:12) and exposed their deception (2 Pet. 2:13).

    “DIALOGUE ALSO CALLS FOR “MUTUAL RESPECT,” but this is not what we see in Scripture. Jesus did not show a lot of respect toward the Pharisees who were leading people to hell through their works gospel. Paul did not show a lot of respect toward the heretics who were bothering the early churches. How much respect did he show toward the following two fellows? “And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus” (2 Tim. 2:17). Didn’t Paul understand that such language would hurt these fellows’ feelings and might even injure their self-esteem? Today, the ecumenical crowd would say, “Paul, how do you think we are ever going to have a good dialogue if you persist in talking like that?”

    But what about John, the Apostle of Love? How was his dialoguing technique? Again, not too effective, because he was too often warning about antichrists (1 John 2:18-19), calling them liars (1 John 2:22) and seducers (1 John 2:26) and deceivers (2 John 7); saying that they denied the Son (1 John 2:23) and that they don’t have God (2 John 9). He put too much of an emphasis upon testing the spirits (1 John 4:1-3). He even made all sorts of exclusive claims, such as, “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness” (1 John 5:19). Just who did he think he was! John even forbade the believers to allow the false teachers into their houses or to bid them God speed (2 John 10-11). It is not possible to get along in a good dialogue when you do such things.

    In this, the apostles were only following their Lord. Jesus Christ was not big on soft-spoken, “let me listen carefully and make sure I understand you,” give-and-take dialogue but He was a great preacher. He scalded the Pharisees because they perverted the way of truth and corrupted the gospel of grace, calling them hypocrites, blind guides, fools and blind, serpents, generation of vipers. That was just one sermon! Even when he visited the homes of the Pharisees He didn’t try to be socially acceptable. He spoke the truth in love at all times and therefore offended them coming and going! They were so angry that they plotted his murder.

    Again, theological dialogue results in “toning down the rhetoric,” in softening the plain charges of heresy and apostasy and unbelief, in quieting down the warnings about judgment. But this is precisely what the Bible does not do and what the apostles and prophets did not do and what Bible preachers today are not allowed to do.

    DIALOGUE ALSO REQUIRES “LISTENING, which at its best includes restating what the other is saying to his complete satisfaction.” But this ignores the fact that heretics lie and try to hide and shade their error. The Bible repeatedly warns about the subtilty and deceit of false teachers. Jesus referred to them as wolves in sheep’s clothing (Mat. 7:15). Though they are wolves, they hide under the appearance of the truth. Paul warned of “deceitful workers” (2 Cor. 11:13), of “false brethren” who work “privily” (Gal. 2:4), of those who are characterized by “cunning craftiness” (Eph. 4:14), of their habit of “speaking lies in hypocrisy” (1 Tim. 4:2), of those who “who creep into houses” (2 Tim. 3:6), of “seducers … deceiving and being deceived” (2 Tim. 3:13). Peter warned of “feigned words” (2 Pet. 2:2). Jude warned of “certain men crept in unawares” (Jude 4).

    DIALOGUE RESULTS IN WEAKENING OF BIBLICAL CONVICTIONS. The Bible warns, “Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners” (1 Cor. 15:33). Close association with sin and error corrupts godly thinking and living. Just as a good apple cannot raise the standard of a barrel of bad apples, a true Christian cannot raise the standard of an apostate church or association. Contrariwise, it is the man of God who will always be pulled down.

    THEOLOGICAL DIALOGUE RESULTS IN “TONING DOWN THE RHETORIC,” IN SOFTENING THE PLAIN CHARGES OF HERESY AND APOSTASY AND UNBELIEF, IN QUIETING DOWN THE WARNINGS ABOUT JUDGMENT. It is impossible to dialogue without doing this. Greg Johnson said that we must “cease throwing our theological rocks and start loving as Christ commanded us.” This is his definition of dialogue. Thus, speaking the truth about heresy is likened to “throwing rocks,” which is something that is potentially very hurtful, even deadly. Actually, preaching plainly against false christs and false gospels is a very loving, compassionate thing. If a man is on his way to hell but is self-deceived into thinking that he is on his way to heaven, it is an act of the greatest compassion to tell him plainly that he is deceived.

    “Toning down the rhetoric” and softening the plain charges of heresy and apostasy is precisely what the Bible does not do and what the apostles and prophets did not do and what Bible preachers today are not allowed to do.

    END OF COMMENTS BY DAVID CLOUD, http://www.wayoflife.org (Can be read in its entirety here: http://www.wayoflife.org/files/78dbc796bfb9ad25981be8d6fc9def3d-914.html)

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