“Women Of Joy” And Other Christian Conferences: Perception Is Not Necessarily Reality

The Perception: A Good “Christian” Conference

For $120 per person, this is what you get:

You go to the website, and see beautiful testimonials, strong endorsements, and well known popular speakers in the evangelical community.

You read the following statement, which is part of their theme:

“A women’s conference that not only uses the word of God, but is founded in scripture.”

Or… is it founded in scripture? Many women may be planning to go to this conference, and much of it sounds and looks really good. It’s called “women of joy” (who does not like joy?), and it claims to be solid, and it has well known speakers. But what sounds and looks good, is not necessarily the reality. In this time of ever growing and great deception, it is always advisable to “test the spirits” as Scripture commands. So… let’s test the spirits, and see if the speakers at these conferences are sound in doctrine, or not. If they are not, will you still go and listen to them?

The Reality: Unbiblical Theology

  1. One speaker, Margaret Feinberg, has written a book, in which she makes claims of special divine revelation. She says that a shepherd, a beekeeper, and a winemaker whom she interviewed about their work, “illuminated the Bible in a whole new light”.

Quote: I traveled to Oregon and spent time with a shepherdess to learn more about sheep and leadership.  Southern Colorado to spend time with a beekeeper and explore the world of hives and honey.  Nebraska to visit a farm and learn about harvesting, and California to learn about viticulture and fruitfulness from a grape-grower.

Along the way, I asked how each person interpreted passages of Scripture in light of their work.  Their answers illuminated the Bible in a whole new light and resulted in the book …

This begs the question: are we truly able to get enlightenment about the word of God in a whole new light from an outside source? Or is it not the fact that Scripture stands alone, on its own, without the need for any outside testimony to reveal God to us? Margaret Feinberg will be at the Lowell, MA, Women of Joy conference.

  1. Another speaker, Christine Caine, adheres to and teaches Word of Faith (prosperity gospel), a heretical belief system. She has held leadership positions at, and is closely affiliated with Hillsong, an organization which has deviated very far from sound Scriptural doctrine. She has also regularly partnered with false teachers, including T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen, Bethel conferences, Robert Morris, Rick Warren, Steven Furtick, and Joyce Meyer. She will be speaking at the Lowell, MA conference.1

  2. Then there is Ann Voskamp, one of the most popular women speakers in the evangelical world today. In his review of her book One Thousand Gifts, Bob Dewaay describes her writings as “romantic panentheism.” Quoting pastor Dewaay:

Voskamp would likely recoil from the notion that she is promoting pagan nature religion. But she puts Christians on the same footing as the pagans by taking them on a journey to find God in nature and art. She thereby promotes mysticism. Her concepts about God that are distinctively Christian are borrowed from special revelation (the Bible). But she never makes a distinction between general revelation and special revelation, and by integrating the two so seamlessly, she elevates nature to the status of saving revelation. Since God is supposedly in everything, then God can be found in everything. And that is panentheism.”

Voskamp also incorporates Romanticism in her concepts of God.

“Voskamp’s romanticism is enhanced by her skill at describing things in a most sensual manner. The sensual terminology is designed to create a mood, a feeling, a sense of romantic mystery that longs for discovery and fulfillment. Those like me who relish clear description of theological concepts meant to be understood and discerned, will be horribly frustrated by the book.” 

“This sensuality finds its apex in the last chapter of the book which begins with this sentence: “I fly to Paris and discover how to make love to God” (Voskamp: 201).”

In this article by Sola Sisters, you see more detail of how Voskamp relates to God in an erotic manner that is clearly inappropriate and unbiblical in its references.

Her book is also filled with New Age ideas, and she quotes mystic and false teacher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, “Nothing here below is profane for those who know how to see.” Dewaay says that “The idea that everything is holy and nothing profane is popular, but unbiblical, and comports with the idea of panentheism. The Bible tells us to separate the holy from the profane: “Moreover, they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and the profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean” (Ezekiel 44:23).

Another speaker on the team is Lysa TerKeurst. Her false teaching is documented here by Michelle Lesley:

https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/07/31/leaving-lysa-why-you-shouldnt-be-following-lysa-terkeurst-or-proverbs-31-ministries/

There are others who are very flawed in their theology, flawed to the point of false teaching. Others may be more sound in their doctrine, but are they not aware of these women? Kirk Cameron is part of this organization, and is a speaker at some of the conferences. Why does he not have the discernment to stay away from false teachers such as these? Are we to not have anything to do with those who preach another gospel?

We need to do our homework before committing to ANY concert, any conference or seminar, no matter how good it looks on the surface. If you don’t know anything about who you are going to hear, why would you go? In such a time as we are in, now is the time to be even more discerning, and find out who it is who is going to teach you something! It may not be from God.

And there is no excuse, such as the idea of “spitting out the bones and keep the meat” as some false teachers like Joyce Meyer will tell you. Nonsense! We are clearly taught in Scripture about the wolves in sheep’s clothing; to beware of them; to expose them; to call them out; but certainly to not support them in any way. Yes, these women, I am sure, will have some biblically sound things to teach you. But they will be mixing their dangerous theology with it, and they will be particularly dangerous to those vulnerable new Christians who may very well go because you, the mature Christian, did not use sound judgment.

Be a Berean, my Christian sister. If they were discerning when they heard Paul preach, what then with the “teachers” of today?

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Acts 17:11

 

 

 

 

Links For Further Reference:

 

Margaret Feinberg:

http://bereanresearch.org/margaret-feinbergs-organic-god/

 

 

1Christine Caine:

https://michellelesleybooks.com/2016/03/04/chhave-no-regard-for-the-offerings-of-caine/

 

 

Ann Voskamp:
http://www.solasisters.com/2012/04/commentary-on-ann-voskamps-one-thousand.html

 

http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue120.htm

 

 

Lisa Harper

 

https://michellelesleybooks.com/popular-false-teachers/

 

Lisa Teurkust

 

https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/07/31/leaving-lysa-why-you-shouldnt-be-following-lysa-terkeurst-or-proverbs-31-ministries/

What’s Wrong With Soulfest?

Would you attend a church service if:

The pastor advocates same sex marriage.

The pastor is a regular speaker at Roman Catholic events.

A hard core/heavy metal non-Christian band played during the service?

The pastor promotes Roman Catholic mystical practices.

The pastor believes that … “I don’t particularly care about Scriptures stance on what is ‘wrong.’ I care more about how it says we should treat people”

The pastor is on the board of directors of a Roman Catholic church organization.

The pastor believes in unity between evangelicals and the Roman Catholic Church, which teaches a false religion.

If your answer to these questions is NO, substitute the word pastor with “Christian music artist.” Would you go to a Christian concert that has music artists and speakers who believe and promote the above things I mentioned? It would seem that any Christian who understands Scripture and its admonishments to stay away from those who promote a different gospel, the answer should still be NO to the question.

Ecumenicalism is a big movement in the world today. For the purposes of this article, ecumenicalism is defined as “a movement seeking unity among groups that profess to be Christian.” It seems everybody wants unity today. Unity amongst Christians is a good goal, yet when a move towards unity contradicts Scripture’s teaching, that is when we have trouble. So let’s turn to Scripture briefly. Scripture is clear on the issue of who we should fellowship with. For example, we have a clear directive in Ephesians.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Eph. 5:11

Over and over in various epistles, the same kind of instruction is given to us.

God’s word says that we are not to fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” Reprove them! There is no biblical argument for promoting ecumenicalism; for getting cozy with those who teach and promote false doctrines, or to fellowship with self-professing Christians who are part of a false religion.

If a Bible-believing Christian would be opposed to the above situations in a church setting, then what is the difference if it is Christian artists performing at Christian concerts?

“Worship is no longer worship when it reflects the culture around us more than Christ within us.” A.W. Tozer

What Is Wrong With SoulFest?

Soulfest is a yearly Christian concert held in New Hampshire in the Summer. If you agree that the examples above as far as attending a church are reasons to stay away, what is the difference if the artists and speakers at the “Christian” concert are promoting same-sex marriage, holding hands with Roman Catholicism, and promoting false doctrine? There is no difference, and in fact, everything mentioned above are actual positions held by various artists and speakers that will perform at Soulfest.

I cannot emphasize the spiritual danger that young people and adults are in when they attend these concerts. There is a great danger especially to those who are either very new Christians, or are not saved at all. The influences of these popular artists are very strong, and can lead a young person to accept things that are not true and that are unbiblical. There is often a resulting emotional high that comes during many of these performances, and emotion can drive many to an experience that is false and does not last. Those who are reading should consider carefully what kind of “Christian” concerts they attend. Most often, it is not as Christian as you think it is. Be wise, and use discernment.

Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are not the same “religion.” How one is saved, the authority of Scripture, the work of Christ on the Cross, and so much more, is totally opposite each other. There are so many differences that are irreconcilable, which make true fellowship impossible.

Why would a Bible-believer want to fellowship with and support those who promote a false religion? Why associate with and give support to those who promote immoral behavior? Why would you expose your youth to such an environment, where they are susceptible to stumbling? Why go to a concert with so many artists who ground their music on worldly ideas? Think twice on this, my Christian friend, before you go to Soulfest. The summary below of just a few of the major artists performing reveals a level of apostasy and deception that should be very disturbing to Christians.

SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE ARTISTS AND SPEAKERS

TobyMac
performed for the Roman Catholic Youth Rally in 2011, which featured Pope Benedict XVI and a Catholic mass during which a piece of bread allegedly became Jesus.*

Jars Of Clay Lead Singer Dan Haseltine Supports “Gay Marriage”
This group is one of the most popular Contemporary Christian groups around. Here is what their lead singer said about same-sex marriage:

“Not meaning to stir things up BUT… is there a non-speculative or non ‘slippery slope’ reason why gays shouldn’t marry? I don’t hear one. … I’m trying to make sense of the conservative argument. But it doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny. Feels akin to women’s suffrage. I just don’t see a negative effect to allowing gay marriage. No societal breakdown, no war on traditional marriage. … I don’t think scripture ‘clearly’ states much of anything regarding morality. … I don’t particularly care about Scriptures stance on what is ‘wrong.’ I care more about how it says we should treat people” (“Dan Haseltine,” MetroWeekly.com, April 22, 2014).

Crowder
On the blog Christians United Against Apostasy, Dave Mosher documents how Crowder teaches Lectio Divina to young teens. David Crowder is very ecumenical and Roman Catholic-friendly. Crowder authored the book Praise Habit: Finding God in Sunsets and Sushi, where he encourages the practice of lectio divina and references and quotes contemplative/emerging figure Walter Brueggemann a number of times. Lectio Divina is one of the many forms of contemplative mysticism which has been greatly popularized by the emergent church movement and Roman Catholicism.

Matthew West
Mathew West is another ecumenicalist and was a participant in the highly ecumenical event, Together 2016, which included the pope and other false teachers and ecumenicalists.

Matt Maher
Matt Maher prays to Mary and believes that she aids men in salvation.

Maher’s wife is Methodist, but they are raising their son “in the Catholic Church,” while also taking him to Methodist services “so he can experience both traditions” (Religion News Service, May 17, 2013).

Maher ministers at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Parish in Tempe, which is devoted to Mary as the Queen of Heaven. The sign at the front of the church says, “Mary, Mother of Life, pray for us.”

Maher is on the board of directors for the Catholic youth organization Life Teen.

Maher performed at the 2013 Catholic World Youth Day in front of the pope, a great venerator of Mary as the Queen of Heaven. Maher also led worship for Pope Benedict XVI’s visit to the Rally for Youth in April 2008.

Maher says that touring with people like Michael W. Smith is producing ecumenical unity because people come to the concerts and find themselves standing beside a priest or nun, and they learn that “we’re all in this family together.”*

Project 86: Hard Core/heavy metal secular music at a Christian concert?
Project 86 is a hardcore rock and heavy metal band. On their website, you will not find a single reference to God or Jesus Christ. There is no mention of Jesus Christ in any of their songs or their albums. Why would such a group perform at a Christian concert?

How can you tell the lost about Jesus without a mention of His name? How can you reach people if you don’t preach the word? We are told to preach the word.
Romans 10:14  “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher”

 

Yet, here is lead singer Andrew Schwad:

“I think right now with Project, we’re going a lot more of a secular route. We’re not doing anything differently – we just think were going to be doing more secular shows. There’s a big debate about preaching at secular shows…we’ve always been subtle but forceful at the same time…for us to go out there and play with bands. We’re not going to go in there and say ‘hey were the Christian band’ …were going to carry ourselves like a normal band. Hopefully people will like our music and investigate into the band…and they will learn our beliefs. If you don’t do it that way, I just think you should only play Christian shows…because a lot of the times, club owners won’t even let you in. It’s very ineffective to just preach from stage.” 

Here is a sample of their music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKGtfOrtJ1s

And here are some of their t-shirt designs. Does looking at these things make you feel like reaching out to Jesus and giving praise to God?

86 tshirts

“Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good.” 3 John 11

Catholic Mass at Soulfest
There are daily Catholic masses scheduled at Soulfest. Would you attend a Catholic mass at a local Roman Catholic Church?

References:

* https://www.wayoflife.org/database/ccm_and_rome.html

http://thesoulfest.com/artists/

LGBT, What It Really Stands For

(John Henderson)

(Preach the saving gospel to them. Stop lying to them! Stop deceiving them!)

Why don’t we just cut to the chase? Look past all of double-talk and safe words and phrases that are filled with dishonest implications.

LGBT; that “community” (a misnomer itself) that is so persecuted by mean-spirited evangelicals; that poor, misunderstood, super-sensitive group of “normal” people who are so mistreated just because God made them that way and they just cannot help it; that group of innocent folks that God welcomes just as they are with not expectations of ever being anything else but LGBT. Those are the ones!

When you break it down to its own internal evidence, it is not a bit pretty.

“L” – Lesbian: Simply defined, a “lesbian” is “a female homosexual or woman who is primarily attracted SEXUALLY to other women” [“homosexual” defines itself with the emphasis on “sexual”].
“G” – Gay: A borrowed term emitting from overt behaviors that simulate happiness in men behaving in effeminate manners. The delusion is that they are gay or joyful. A “gay” male is a male homosexual who is primarily attracted SEXUALLY to other males.
“B” – Bi-sexual: Male or female who is SEXUALLY attracted to both genders.
“T” – Transgender: Males or females who have a disingenuous gender identity or gender expression that differs from their biological gender that happens to be irreversibly locked into their DNA. This is often expressed through symptoms of Transvestic DISORDER that include, for over a period of at least 6 months, a person who has had recurrent and INTENSE SEXUAL AROUSAL from fantasies, SEXUAL urges or behaviors from cross-dressing (most often when a heterosexual male has fantasies about and/or acts out dressing up in woman’s clothing). The fantasies, SEXUAL urges and behaviors can cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning (source: behavioralconnections.org/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=599).
Do you see a thread here? That thread is completely SEXUAL in character and always leads to such behaviors where possible, permitted, and/or encouraged. Specifically, it always involves intense sexual arousal in some form or pattern.
Are not many Nazarene leaders telling us that sexual arousal in this context is not a sin, even officially in the denomination’s Manual? They call it “orientation” but that is just a code word for lust that exists in an especially intense and sinfully focused direction. Consider Jesus’s stern condemnation concerning so much as looking at someone of the opposite gender with lust as being the same as the actual behavior and compare that to the argument in favor of it. Nothing is changed when the same lust is directed at one’s own gender, except there is a specific condemnation in the Scriptures against homosexuality (without qualifications or exceptions) that is ignored or “explained” away. That Bible-defying argument is swallowed up by biblical truth.
Whenever someone uses that acrostic in support of the homosexual agenda, they are in effect showing approval of distorted intense sexual arousals that are of themselves an abomination before God.
Not only is this condition a flagrant sin, it is also related to a medical and psychological pathology distinctive to itself.
One study found that “LGBT clients enter treatment with more severe substance abuse problems, greater psychopathology, and greater medical service utilization when compared with heterosexual clients. When the analyses were stratified based on sex, different patterns of substance use and associated psychosocial characteristics emerged for the LGBT clients” (<http://www.journalofsubstanceabusetreatment.com/…/…/abstract).
We need to stop kidding ourselves and approach LGBT as the pathological problem it is. Do they need help? Most definitely, but they cannot receive the help they need if we insist on looking the other way and pretending something else. They are drowning in serious trouble in major aspects of their lives and insensitive predators are throwing them a floating device with no rope attached. But, all sin across the board is just as bad, no matter how it expresses itself. LGBT is just one of the ways. Jesus saves from sin!
Preach the saving gospel to them, not some watered-down counterfeit that only helps drag their poor souls into hell. Stop lying to them! Stop deceiving them! Show them the Jesus who can completely transform and change their lives for much better than the filth they wallow in. Give them real hope, not some false comfort that encourages them in what they are doing to themselves.
Jesus died that they, too, might be saved—just like He died for all people. There are no allowances for sin but there is always regeneration available. That old saying applies here: “Jesus saves from the guttermost to the uttermost!” This is the way that godly, Christ-centered, scriptural love wins these lost souls.

Sounding The Alarm On Andy McGee And Love Wins:LGBT

The following facts, using the actual communications made by a pastor in the Church of the Nazarene who has an LGBT ministry, ought to bring up great concern from any Bible-believing Christian:

  1. Why is such a ministry active in the Church of the Nazarene that uses symbols and colors associated with the secular gay agenda?
  2. On what merits was this ministry allowed to have a booth at the General Assembly?
  3. Why have the leaders of the denomination not seen this ministry for what it is- a ministry that cannot even give straight answers to questions?
  4. Why have the leadership and so many churches and pastors bowed the knees to the agenda of the LGBT/homosexuality movement?
  5. Will there be more Love Wins-type of churches forming soon, for the purpose of promoting the false, empty gospel that Love Wins:LGBT promotes?
  6. What is this obsession by the Church of the Nazarene now, to focus so much on a particular behavior that is a sin, like any other sin?

So for your consideration, here is some very disturbing information about Andy McGee, founder of Love Wins:LGBT. Andy McGee has: supported gay activists who promote same sex marriage, praised a “gay Christian” conference, praised a racist organization, praised the National Coming Out Day, and has testified that he is bi-sexual.

This report was written by a Nazarene pastor. I believe Andy McGee and his ministry, and other ministries following the pattern of his organization, is causing great harm to the church and leading many down a false path.

 

Who Is Andy McGee?

Although Pastor McGee says all the right sounding things, tossing around generalities about “building bridges” and ambiguously using fine-sounding words such as “love” and “outreach,” I believe that he may not necessarily mean what he wants everyone to assume. There are other individuals who have sounded the alarm with regards to Mr. McGee, but I have purposely not included any of that material. Instead, I am allowing Andy to speak completely for himself through his own tweets, blog comments, and Facebook postings.

Prior to each tweet(s) or post, I will provide the necessary background information regarding the people and events that Pastor McGee is referring to. Please feel free to verify anything I say. Each post comes directly from either Andy’s personal or Love Wins Twitter accounts or Andy’s personal or Love Wins Facebook pages. (The only exception is Andy’s comment on an article written by Dr. Dan Boone.)

For clarity’s sake and to avoid being repetitive, one final note is in order before proceeding any further:

Any time I refer to “gay Christianity,” here’s exactly what I mean: The false belief that a person can be both a godly/obedient Christian and, at the same time, be homosexually active in a monogamous, same-sex “marriage” arrangement. What I do not mean is a Christian who has same-sex attractions, but remains celibate or is currently living in a monogamous, mixed-gender marriage. The latter is generally and rightly considered to be biblical, but the former is definitely not. Moreover, “gay Christianity” is, as you know, 100% at odds with Nazarene doctrine as well.

So, here we go (and this is only a portion of what I found)…

The President of Trevecca Nazarene University wrote an excellent article in defense of Title IX exemptions, which legally protect a Christian school’s constitutional right to not be forced to affirm homosexual behavior and ideology. Rev. Dan Boone’s article is well worth the read. You can click on this link later to read it:

http://www.danboone.me/title-ix-championing-every-kind-of-diversity-but-christian/

Andy McGee posted the following comment at the end of Rev. Boone’s article. Below, I have included the relevant portion of his comment, but it can be viewed in its entirety (including where he clearly identifies himself as the director of Love Wins: LGBT) by using the aforementioned link.

Andy indicates that transgender people do not simply choose “as they see fit” to transition to the opposite of their birth gender, but instead they only make such a life-altering decision after much time spent in prayer. So, as long as a person prays about it, then it apparently becomes okay to switch from male to female or vice versa. This presumably implies that God answers their prayers and somehow gives such individuals the green light to reject their anatomical and genetic gender. This is just another failed attempt at spiritualizing sin.

You might be wondering, why would Dr. Boone have allowed Andy to speak at his school, given what he said in this comment? I obviously can’t answer for Dr. Boone, but I do know that Andy spoke at Trevecca (July 2015) before making this post on Dan’s blog (Jan. 27, 2016.)

(NOTE: Of all of my specific concerns, this one about Dr. Boone is the only one that Andy has answered during our email exchanges. He said, “I was in no way trying to convey that such decisions were Biblically sound choices but was rather asking that a more loving language be used.” However, please read the rest of what I have found before rushing to any conclusions.)

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SUPPORTING A HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVIST

Here’s a favorable tweet supporting homosexual activist Kevin Garcia. Andy is encouraging Mr. Garcia to “keep being a revolutionary.” What revolution might he be leading, you ask? He’s a self-described “gay Christian advocate,” trying to promote the false notion that Christianity and homosexual behavior are compatible. That’s not the kind of “revolution” any Christian should be cheering on!

Andy 2

SUPPORTING A “GAY CHRISTIAN” CONFERENCE

Here’s Andy tweeting support for a recent GCN Conference (Gay Christian Network) that he attended, which teaches that we really don’t/can’t know or don’t even have to agree as Christians with what the Bible says about homosexuality. And the last thing a morally-adrift world needs right now is more of that kind of confusion and uncertainty. Furthermore, the speaker that he commends in this tweet (Misty Irons) said in her presentation (21 pages posted on the Love Wins’ Facebook page, which I read) that godly Christianity and “gay Christianity” are not mutually exclusive concepts. She also said a lot of other misleading things in the same speech. Pastor Andy might argue that he was only referring to portions of her speech, but then he really should be more specific to avoid giving people the wrong impression. However, he never does that. He only tweets positive things about those who promote homosexual falsehoods, and he only posts negative things about evangelical individuals who are defending the truth — at least, that’s the only kind of tweets that I’ve been able to find. If, as Andy McGee tweeted, Misty really did “hit it out of the park,” then I would have to say that she hit it “out in left field somewhere!” (He also retweets Allyson Robinson who equates the Gay Christian Network Conference with “revival.” However, the full embrace of its theology would actually be the undoing of the church, not any kind of real revival.)

Andy 3

SUPPORTING ANOTHER SAME SEX MARRIAGE GROUP

This tweet praises a bisexual activist’s speech at TRPinKC (stands for The Reformation Project conference in Kansas City). The TRP goes even further off the deep end than the Gay Christian Network (mentioned above). The TRP unequivocally supports “gay Christianity” and  “same-sex “marriage.” They also go to great lengths to distort the clear teachings of Scripture on homosexuality to make their deceptive case.

Andy 4

APPROVING OF MATHEW VINES, ANOTHER GAY ACTIVIST

Tweeting his approval of Matthew Vines, the founder of The Reformation Project (mentioned above). Mr. Vines likes to label anyone who disagrees with his false teachings as a “bad tree” producing “bad fruit.” In other words, those telling the truth are the actual “bad guys.” (There’s more on Matthew later in this post)

Here’s a tweet praising a lesbian activist (Vicky Beeching) who was pushing more LGBT contortionist theology at the same Reformation Project Conference. He calls her an “inspiring voice.” A voice inspired by who? Certainly not God! A voice inspiring us to do what? To abandon solid Biblical teaching on the subject of homosexuality! (And I’ve heard her before on YouTube so I know that’s exactly what she’s been doing every chance she gets.)

Andy 5

SUPPORTING A RACIST MOVEMENT

Retweeting praise for the racist Black Lives Matter movement, which very recently sent a representative to a Harvard University debate to argue in favor of whites killing themselves because of their “white privilege.” I have also included a link to a video of the Harvard debate for your viewing.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4180/debater-harvard-says-white-people-should-kill-chase-stephens

SUPPORTING VICKY BEECHAM, A LESBIAN ACTIVIST

Here’s a tweet praising a lesbian activist (Vicky Beecham) who was pushing more LGBT contortionist theology at the same Reformation Project Conference. He calls her an “inspiring voice.” A voice inspired by who? Certainly not God! A voice inspiring us to do what? To abandon solid Biblical teaching on the subject of homosexuality! (And I’ve heard her before on YouTube so I know that’s exactly what she’s been doing every chance she gets.)
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SUPPORTING NATIONAL COMING OUT DAY

A Facebook post in support of National Coming Out Day, which encourages people to come out and celebrate their homosexuality. To be out loud and proud…and to publicly embrace the gay lifestyle. Andy describes those who “come out” as being “honest with themselves and with those around them.” Truth is, though, they are falling prey to the world’s lies by succumbing to sin’s deceptiveness!

He also implies that there are only two possible responses that heterosexuals can have towards those that “come out”: Rejection or Celebration. But BOTH are wrong. There is third better way: to lovingly point them to Christ (repentance) and His powerful transformation through the Holy Spirit. After all, I thought we were a holiness denomination, not a sin-celebrating one!

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APPROVING A PRO-HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVIST WHO IS MARRIED TO A WOMAN

Here he tweets his affirmation for open lesbian Jan Shannon, a minister in the liberal UCC denomination, which has completely sold out to the pro-homosexual viewpoint. Following this tweet is a picture of “Rev.” Shannon with her “wife” Deb Roth. So, yet again, Andy gushingly pours out the approval for a woman who is promoting outright heresy and apostasy in her church. Proverbs 28:23 would actually be more appropriate in this case: “Whoever rebukes a person will in the end gain favor rather than one who has a flattering tongue.”

Andy 9

SUPPORTING ADAM HAMILTON AND RACHEL HELD EVANS, TWO GAY ACTIVISTS

A tweet congratulating Adam (Hamilton) and Rachel (Held Evans) for their appointment to President Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. So, these two can now go national with their destructive teachings. In my opinion, congratulations are not in order.

Hamilton’s gay activism is well known to me because he is a United Methodist pastor in Leawood, Kansas, and he was promoting a plan at the UMC General Conference during the Summer of 2016 in Portland, Oregon, which (if passed) would have allow for individual districts to abandon the denomination’s historic stance on homosexuality. This terrible plan would enable pastors to 1. Be openly gay/lesbian/bi/transgender themselves, 2. Preach in favor of homosexuality, and 3. Officiate same-sex “marriage” ceremonies even though all of this currently violates their Book of Discipline (the equivalent of the Nazarene Manual). Hamilton has also written books that push the idea that the Bible does not prohibit all kinds of homosexual behavior.

Rachel Held Evans, likewise, supports same-sex marriage, transgenderism, so-called “gay Christianity,” etc. She has spent a lot of time boasting about leaving evangelicalism for episcopalianism, and as most people know, the Episcopalians have gone gay all the way and effectively ripped their denomination apart in the process. Following the tweet below are links to two of her pro-sin/Bible-distorting/confusion-sowing blogs. Rachel’s second article sings the praises of Matthew Vines’ Bible-mangling book God and the Gay Christian. As you might recall from earlier in this post, Matthew is the founder of The Reformation Project, which is a group that holds conferences all across the country to spread the false gospel of “gay Christianity” and distorts the clear teachings of the Bible on homosexuality. You might also remember that Andy McGee recently attended one of the Reformation Project conferences, and he praised its founder, speakers, and the overall impact of their efforts.

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Rachel’s first article: The False Gospel of Gender Binaries:
http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/gender-binaries

Rachel’s second article: God and the Gay Christian Discussion
http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/god-and-the-gay-christian-discussion-week-6-conclusion

ANDY ADMITS TO BEING BISEXUAL

Finally, I saved the “best” for last. In this tweet, Andy links to a video of his personal testimony. It’s not that the video is entirely bad per se, but it’s just that he buys into the whole idea that our identity is primarily based upon our sexual desires instead of Christ and the image of God. You can click on the link immediately below the following tweet and watch the brief 3-1/2 minute video for yourself.

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Here is Andy McGee of “Love Wins: LGBT,” who spoke at our District Assembly [a few years ago] and set up a booth at our General Assembly (6/2017) in his own words: [NOTE: This link takes you to a YouTube video, but it’s no longer viewable. Since I originally pointed it out, Andy has made it private access. But in the video, Andy describes how he’s bisexual. It’s part of some #stillbisexual movement. If you look under that hashtag on YouTube, you’ll see others doing the same thing. I asked him about this during a Q&A session at our District Assembly [a few years ago], and he affirmed that he is bisexual, but non-practicing. It’s also safe to assume that Andy may have removed some of the incriminating posts mentioned above, and that’s exactly why I saved the screen shots as proof.]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-WcbSQBv2g

Taken individually, Pastor McGee might be able to explain away single pieces of the above information, but overall, it is my belief that they paint a comprehensive picture of one who supports unbiblical teachings and is endeavoring to subtly disseminate them throughout our denomination.

ONE FINAL NOTE:

At the Mission 15 Conference held in Kansas City on Feb. 11, 2015, Andy McGee, the Director of Love Wins: LGBT, moderated a panel discussion based upon the following question: “What to Do After a Congregant Says, ‘I’m Gay’?”

Below is a transcript of a very disturbing remark made by one of the panelists: Rev. Rick Power, Hawaii-Pacific District Superintendent.

Rev. Powers was specifically asked the following question: “Does being gay make one ineligible for membership and/or church leadership positions?” (The key portions of his quote are printed in bold, and the most appalling portions come near the end of the citation. So, please completely read this quotation in its entirety before drawing any conclusions.)

Here’s Rev. Power’s verbatim answer to the above-mentioned question (see footnotes below for my comments):

“It keeps occurring to me that my view/our view and our convictions on these issues are shaped by our context and our history in this faith community. You know, this is not, our views are not just dropped down out of heaven into our laps.1 They are mediated to us. Our view of Scripture, the way we interpret it, our definition of marriage and our understanding of human sexuality and our definition of sin and all these things come to us through our tradition.2 So, we might pretend like we have a God’s-eye view of these things,3 but really we’re a product of this stream of [indecipherable word], which is a good thing. I mean, I believe the Spirit is at work, speaking to the church, but it’s always mixed with fallibility and sinfulness so I think we have to be humble in our pronouncements.

“This particular question is, uh, I have encountered as a pastor and because of what we’ve learned about sexual orientation,4 uh, having same sex orientation in no way should hinder a person from membership in the church or leadership, but because of where we are in this journey,5 there probably are some qualifications. And so, when a young man who was an outstanding youth worker came to me and came out to me as a gay man, I had some questions for him. I said, ‘Are you now or have you been active in a same-sex relationship?’ And he answered, ‘no,’ because the call is to sexual purity for heterosexuals and homosexuals. Then, the next question related more specifically to his role as a leader in the church. I said, ‘Are you planning publicly to come out, because if you do, this faith community at the present moment is not able to bear that knowledge. And so, as long as you keep this to yourself, you can continue in your ministry role. We have confidence in you. You’re doing a wonderful job. But at such time that you choose to come out, then we’re not going to be able to bear that at this moment in our history. I hope that will change.’ And then, I think it’s also a pastoral responsibility to let people know that there are other faith communities that will affirm them in a covenantal, monogamous relationship, and that perhaps the Spirit would lead them to such a community.6 That’s not my way of saying, ‘We hope you’ll leave our fellowship’ because I don’t want them to leave. I want them to stay and work with us and be a catalyst for change and growth in this area.7 And so, I hope the Spirit will speak to them and lead them to stay, but I feel like it’s a pastoral responsibility to say that within the kingdom, there are other faith communities that have a different stand on this,8 but here in the Church of the Nazarene, we have definition of marriage, we have a view of homosexual activity, and that’s who we are, and again, that’s where we stand at this point on the journey.”5

Here’s the audio Link to hear this for yourself (http://www.graceandpeacemagazine.org/m15-conference-wednesday-session-4-audio).

It’s the last audio file in the list, entitled: “What to Do After a Congregant Says, ‘I’m Gay’?”

Rev. Power’s words begin at the 17:53 mark and runs until 22:11.

FOOTNOTES:

1, 2, 3 Each of these phrases seem to downplay the inspiration of Scripture, and overemphasize the traditions and ideas of humanity. However, through the Bible, we do have truth “dropped down out of heaven” and “a God’s-eye view” of human sexuality and the definition of sin.

4 Modern understandings of sexual orientation may be somewhat helpful, but ultimately, we’re all oriented towards sin (born with a sin nature). Therefore, much of our contemporary psychobabble is in direct conflict with biblical teachings.

5 Rev. Power repeatedly talks about our “journey” regarding the COTN’s stance on the issue of homosexuality. In speaking of our “definition of marriage” and “view of homosexuality,” he concludes his comments by stating “that’s where we stand at this point on the journey.” But that’s were we should stand FOREVER. The Word of God is NEVER going to change so neither should our beliefs regarding homosexuality.

6 Rev. Powers thinks that in certain instances, it’s his “pastoral responsibility” to point people to churches that affirm homosexual relationships and homosexual behavior. AND he shockingly thinks that the Holy Spirit might actually lead members of the LGBT community to these same apostate churches!? The Holy Spirit is definitely NOT going to direct anyone to a church that lies to them and leads them to hell. The Devil might do this, but not the Holy Spirit…NEVER!

7 Based upon portions of this quotation, I can’t help but wonder what kind of “change and growth in this area” that Rev. Power might have in mind. Personally, I don’t think his ideas for change are in accord with the doctrines of the Church of the Nazarene.

8 Once again, Rev. Power refers to his “pastoral responsibility” to let people know about other churches that have “a different stand on [homosexuality].” And shockingly, he says that they are “within the kingdom.” NO, THEY ARE NOT! These deceiving churches are most certainly and completely outside of the kingdom of God.

Church of the Nazarene Adopts New Human Sexuality Resolution, Votes to Dumb Down Sin

Compromise- a bad compromise- has happened again, as the General Assembly of the Church of the Nazarene removes clear language that condemns the sin of homosexuality. Instead of retaining a hard but honest truth, the previous statement on Human Sexuality has been further eroded, paving the way for another watering down of biblical truth four years from now.
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The following response by a sister in the Lord speaks for me and many other Nazarenes who have been watching and hoping for truth to prevail.

“As I head off to Chicago today for meetings, it will be with a heavy heart. The church is changing in the name of progress, and that’s not a good thing.

While there may be varying degrees of sin in man’s eyes, in God’s eyes there are not. One is as bad as another.

One saint said yesterday that God calls out sin. He calls a drunk a drunkard, a prostitute a whore, and a man who will not work, lazy. He says in his Word that homosexuality is an abomination, and the shedding of innocent blood murder and yet our church feels these words too strong, too offensive and too exclusive.

Where were the sanctified saints yesterday? Why would resolution 701 pass overwhelmingly in a holiness church? What part of the word perversion don’t we understand? Perhaps a refresher on its meaning will help:

“The alteration of something from its original course, meaning or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended” is its definition. It sounds like the sin nature of man to me. We are ALL perverse beings in our lostness. Our perverse nature is the very reason Christ came and went to the cross.

We have drifted far from the message of salvation. We’ve negated the need for the blood bought church to preach the need for repentance. “Why repent? You’re fine” we cry. “We LOVE you as you are. There is no more need for you to come out from among them and be ye separate. We’ll come to you. We will live among you. Your people will be our people.”

We twist and we turn the Word of God into a different gospel. And I’m sickened by it all.

I wonder what Almighty God thinks of our church today. One of the GS’ stated yesterday that God is pleased with us. I hardly think so. In fact, if I were to guess, I’d say we are seconds (if not closer) to be spewed from His mouth.

May God have mercy on us all.”

(Kelli Frazier)

As much as I am not surprised at this continued meltdown of biblical doctrine, it still pains me greatly. What I want to know is what was the reasoning behind this decision. In fact, I would like to know what was the BIBLICAL reasoning. What got into the heads of the folks in the committee, and then finally the general assembly voting body? What got into the heads of the General Superintendents? After all, they drafted this resolution. What drove them to come up with a resolution that essentially takes away from an accurate, biblical description of homosexuality and the perversion that it is! Was God’s word too harsh for them? Are they ashamed at what God’s word describes homosexuality as, that it is an abomination, that it is a perversion of God’s intent for proper human sexuality?

Are they afraid of offending someone? Don’t they know that the Gospel is an offense to those who are perishing? “For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 1 Cor. 1:18.

The news of Holland and their “progress and plans for acceptance of homosexuals n the full body of Christ has fallen on deaf ears. The Generals have tuned me out, even an old family friend, and do not care to answer me, nor many Nazarenes who write to them. They are too busy watering down doctrinal statements I guess. And this is not the last troublesome resolution. There is more watering down to be done. This only the next step; wait another four years to see how hard the house will fall.

And so it is. They are all intent on staying on this politically correct, man-pleasing path. They will gain favor with the world for this. In the meantime, they allow groups such as Love Wins:LGBT to promote their deceptive “gospel” message. They cater to homosexuality just like the secular world; they are no different. They talk about love, love, love. And yet, they have forgotten that love without obedience is not love. 2nd John says in verse 6: “And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands.” No obedience, no love. Just hollow words.

Yes, this General Assembly will be more remembered for a perverted sinful behavior, than for any hollow-sounding resolutions, sermons, or worship services. Oh, they will be slapping each other’s backs and gushing over the latest and greatest “man of God.”

But they have been duped, the foxes have been let into the hen house, and souls will be led to hell because of it. And yet, perhaps maybe, just maybe, God has called someone from within the halls of power, to stand like Martin Luther and say, stop! Enough is enough.

But if nothing turns the ship around, at least our conscience will be clean before God.

 

“Unless I am convinced by Scripture and plain reason – I do not accept the authority of the popes and councils, for they have contradicted each other – my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and I will not recant anything for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. God help me. Amen.” Martin Luther

The Nazarene “Love Wins LGBT” Group Clarifies Their Intentions

Update on Wednesday, June 28

I have received enough information that leaves in doubt the accuracy of the FaceBook post by Andy McGee that was reported by me.  A pastor, Chet Todd, has confirmed to me that he spoke with Andy shortly after that posting, and testified to me that Andy was upset that the original question to him was edited to make it look like it was something that was not.  Andy then proceeded to delete his answer.  I am accepting Chet’s testimony on this, and will post completely as Andy wishes to, or leave it here with a this explanation for others who have read this sin the past to see.

In all my nearly 400 articles, I have never had to retract something, other than minor corrections of information.  But when it cannot be clearly shown to be true without a doubt, I will correct what needs to be corrected.  (This in no way changes my opposition to the ministry of the Love Wins:LBGT group and how Andy McGee is promoting his positions)

Manny Silva

 

 

Original Article:

The Love Wins:LGBT group operates under the auspices of the Trinity Family MidTown Church of the Nazarene. They have had a presence at the General Assembly since at least 2013, where they have presented a workshop about their “ministry” to the LGBT community, including a booth last week displaying their many colors.

In a stunning moment of candor, the group responded to a question on a FaceBook post, which asked about their intentions. The text is shown here for clarity, and the original post is also shown.

Question:
Is it your hope that the Church of the Nazarene will eventually become a welcoming church (and rid of language such as “perversion” when referring to gender identity)? Are you pushing for having open and affirming stances for Nazarene congregations?

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That’s the goal. We hope that the church will welcome ALL in. ALL.

 

I’ll let you come to your own conclusions.

Update on Tuesday, June 27: In the spirit of fairness

Andy McGee has disagreed with what I posted, and he says that it is “fake news”.  Andy believes that the question was edited after Andy responded, and therefore distorted the meaning of his answer.  I will honestly say that I am not sure whether I accept that explanation.  I am doing some research to verify some other things about this situation, now that Andy has contradicted what looks like something obvious. I have my own questions in response:

1. Andy, why did you not respond with an immediate refutation of the person who asked the question, instead of simply deleted your answer?
2. Why would someone who himself has the LGBT colors in his own profile (an apparent ally), want to trick Andy with something like that?

There are many, many questions that, for me and many others, have not been fully answered by Andy and Love Wins:LGBT about their ministry.  I continue to seek those clear answers from them.  I will be writing a post soon that will address the LGBT / homosexuality issue again, not only with regards to Andy’s group, but the entire denomination.  In all this, I will say that not once have I been angry at Andy personally, nor do I dislike him personally in any way.  That is not me, regardless of what others may say about me.  I may sound harsh at times, but that harshness is always directed at the things that are being promoted in the Church of the Nazarene, or at the behavior of a person- and are intended to hopefully correct anyone who is in error- according to Scripture, not according to Manny Silva.

The Fallacy of “Orientation”

(John Henderson)

There is no need to belabor an introduction. It is clear what this is about. “Orientation” in this context is “the direction of someone’s interest or attitude, especially sexual,” regarding homosexuality. It is an active—non-dormant—attitude or inclination. It is a settled way of thinking or feeling about one’s interest in homosexuality; an interest in or liking homosexuality; a decisive preference for homosexuality based on understanding its nature.

Biologically, “a simple and singular determinant for sexual orientation has not been conclusively demonstrated and various studies point to different, even conflicting positions.” Said another way, one can readily prove ones gender biologically but cannot demonstrate homosexual orientation biologically. Self-selection bias and other pitfalls always afflict any study, no matter how “controlled” it might seem to be.
That puts the entire issue in the catch-all category of assumption and speculation based on predisposed interpretations of inconclusive data. Researchers like that because they often come to the end of their own abilities to understand, the data becomes unmanageable, and they want to go home to supper or get a paper published. Hiding behind a “margin of error” doesn’t solve the problem. That is also capriciously predetermined.

I know that on a personal level. I wanted to get done with that doctoral program and was weary of running into walls on the dissertation just trying to make it all come together. I finally sorted through that cardboard box of data I had accumulated, pulled out stuff that seemed to make sense, wrote a bunch of gibberish that fit my chosen narrative, and it sailed through approval. It is somewhere in Vanderbilt’s archives the last I checked and nobody cares one wit about it, including me. Confession is good for the soul, so I am told. Just the same, it still turned out pretty good and may be useful to someone down the way.

So, when I claim that a theologian is wrong that steps aside from the Scriptures and enters a philosophical arena in making conclusions about homosexual orientation as being amoral or non-sinful, I am on pretty solid ground there. Philosophy assumes everything and proves nothing.

Of course, some of them are already well-practiced in that approach. They are just as cock-eyed when they claim that some form of evolutionism can explain creation or that the Bible is only inspired where it refers to soteriology (salvation). This is just another leg on their stool of compromise and error.

Biology and philosophy aside, let us consider just the Scriptures on that matter. We shall still feed off of a simple definition of “orientation”: the direction of someone’s interest or attitude regarding homosexuality… a settled way of thinking or feeling about one’s interest in homosexuality; an interest in or liking homosexuality; a decisive preference for homosexuality based on understanding its nature. In short form: It is how one decides or chooses to think—a chosen and trained mindset or worldview.
The Bible nowhere makes allowances for mental or moral entrapment other than that we are born in sin and need salvation. The continuous thread of the Scriptures is to the end that we might be saved. In that way, the whole Bible is soteriological in nature. It defines and condemns sin, pronounces judgment, and offers redemption in Christ.

Orientation in the scriptural mode is always about that which comes out of the predisposition to sin, the carnal nature. Orientation is always connected to sin.

The Bible tells us plainly that temptation—the only amoral condition possible—actually emits or is fed by previous conduct and disposition:

James 1:14-15 – “…each one is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desires. Then when desire conceives, it gives birth to sin, and when sin is full grown, it gives birth to death.”

I was not a thief growing up. The temptation to steal never haunts me. That is true of many things. The things that I became involved in prior to being born again are the very things the devil still hits me with from time to time after more than 65 years. Only redeeming grace comes to my rescue. That is what James means here.

There are many passages that deal with the thoughts of the heart—not merely the mind. Jesus tells us that one can commit adultery or murder another person without ever engaging in the behavior. They are attitudes of lust and hate. Even the Ten Commandments address that—you shall not desire, or long for, what belongs to your neighbor.

We would be very wise if we stay with the Scriptures and seek the lost accordingly. If we coddle them in their sins, we are not leading them to Christ. Instead, we are pushing open the door to Hell for them to rush in by means of treacherous and menacing deception.