Open Letter To The Board of General Superintendents

Dear Board of General Superintendents,

As many more Nazarenes are aware of by now, there have been things happening in the Nazarene denomination in the last ten, perhaps even 20 and 30 years, that have gradually changed the fabric of our denomination, both in the churches, and in the universities.  In this post-modern era, apparently many of our churches and universities have clearly jumped on the emergent church bandwagon.  Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?  Or perhaps it is both.  I am not trying to make trouble for its own sake, but I am raising questions that many believe are vital and need to be answered.  One of my biggest concerns is this: our college kids walking away from the real Jesus, into the arms of a fake Christ and a phony gospel.  It hurts just to think that even one might walk away from the Lord, because of what our schools are allowing.

One of the problems that have arisen is the bleeding that is occurring in our churches and universities.  Nazarenes, both young and old, have been deciding to leave their church, and sometimes the denomination.  Students and parents are opting out of the usual automatic decision to go to a Nazarene school, and instead are searching for alternatives.  Surely, that is a common thing that happens all the time in all denominations, as people shift and move around, or make personal decisions based on their own circumstances.  However, the reasons of departure that I am aware of are much different than the random comings and goings that occur.  It is much more serious, and there is a pattern that is most disturbing.  I don’t have statistics nailed down, but the many reports I have received, as well as others, shows that there is a commonly shared reason.  That reason can be summarized as “an erosion of solid biblical principles, in exchange for a humanistic, mystical, ecumenical, and relativistic approach to our Christian faith and practice.” In other words: many Nazarenes are absolutely fed up with what is going on in our churches and universities, and have decided they are not going to stand for it anymore.  I don’t even have time here to go into the extreme social gospel and environmental gospel that is being pushed to the detriment of preaching the true gospel message.

I believe that is one of the reasons we are seeing some churches dropping precipitously in membership, sometimes within just a year’s time, as emergent ideology creeps into their congregation.  Former members have sat in utter amazement and dismay in their pews, as a pastor introduces new rituals that were never part of the Nazarene tradition, but were more reflective of the Roman Catholic Church.  That same pastor, who perhaps when he was interviewed for the job spoke clearly of his respect for God’s word,  now preaches sermons that are more out of his personal opinion and philosophy, with an occasional scripture passage thrown in as an after thought.  Less is mentioned of true repentance and sin, and instead, sermons are filled with social justice themes and an over-emphasis on “fellowship”, to the detriment of studying God’s word.  And more and more, these post-modern pastors, (some who are fresh out of seminary, but others have been around a long time), are frequently heard quoting heretics and false teachers from the pulpit, such as Henri Nouwen, Thomas Merton, Richard Foster, Rob Bell, and Brian McLaren.  So much for the Wesleyan holiness heritage of our fathers!  Now we are looking more and more to Desert Fathers instead, and mystics who promote emptying the mind in order to “listen to the voice of God.”

These Nazarenes were also hearing new phrases like “missional”, or “spiritual formation”, and gradually realized that they don’t necessarily mean what they thought it meant.  We now have people leaving in groups, forming their own fellowship because they can no longer stand sitting in a church that is looking more and more like the Roman Catholic church with its rituals and traditions.  No wonder people are walking away.  I am sure you are also aware of at least one church whose membership voted to completely separate themselves from the denomination, rather than compromise their biblical principles.  Sure, perhaps that is only one church out of thousands, but were they all mad (as in crazy?), or were they justified biblically to “divorce” themselves from the denomination?  Perhaps the Nazarene church is not just bleeding, but close to hemorrhaging.  It is heartbreaking to me, the many emails I have received from former Nazarenes who have been pushed out of their churches, many of them being called hateful and troublemakers and dividers, all because of asking questions of their leadership as to what is happening to their church.

And then there are the universities.  Spiritual formation programs throughout the schools are pushing what is essentially contemplative spirituality.  It’s just another word for it.  This is not Nazarene, this is not Christian.  This is simply a Christianized version of transcendental meditation, and false teachers such as Richard Foster, Leonard Sweet, and Tony Campolo are being embraced, and even being given a platform for mentoring pastors or future pastors!  Even a universalist like Jay McDaniel was allowed to speak at NNU, as summarized in this video.  Can you tell me what is going on, when a university allows this kind of foolishness to be given a platform at our “Christian” schools?

One college chaplain enjoys reading The Shack (a heresy filled book), and praises Brennan Manning, a mystic and false teacher.  Another chaplain recently told the students in a chapel service on Sept. 22 that “I consider myself a mystic”, and quotes Brian McLaren, a false teacher.  This same chaplain  is an unabashed promoter of lectio divina, and claims one of his heroes to be Brother Roger, the late founder of a contemplative, interspiritual community called Taize in France.  Why Nazarene chaplains promote this kind of stuff, and name this kind of “hero”, is beyond me as a Nazarene, and as just a Christian.  But this is probably becoming the norm amongst college chaplains, and that’s my fear.

Many of our universities are sold out to this contemplative movement.  Prayer labyrinths perhaps will soon become the norm in  more of them. Prayer labyrinths are a practice borrowed from pagan religions, and these are okay now in the Nazarene schools and churches?  Many are also coming together and embracing Roman Catholic practices, or are recommending RCC churches to our students, or selling Roman Catholic Bibles in the bookstores.  Evolution is supplanting the Genesis account, and it’s okay now if students are taught that Adam and Eve were not real, or that the worldwide flood did not occur.  Instead, they were most likely just allegorical stories or myths.  Thus they are teaching our students to doubt the veracity of the word of God.  It’s no wonder that at this point, I would not even consider sending my son to a Nazarene university, or recommending anyone to send their own child.  It’s too dangerous!

You see, right now, I am still a Nazarene.  Perhaps the main reason that I remain is that I am still able to attend and worship at a Nazarene church whose pastor does not believe in this nonsense that is being promoted and passed off as something good for us.  Many of us refuse to be under the leadership of any pastor who does not believe in the inerrancy and authority of scripture, and so I am thankful I can still attend a church whose leadership is committed to the word of God, not committed to silly programs,  mystical rituals and even secular music played in worship services.  Another reason I have stayed is that I have taken on a responsibility I never really thought I would have or even am the best qualified for, but I welcome, out of love for my new friends, who often call me or email me with requests for advice on what to do.  Because of what I have gone through myself, I am able to help others (in some small way) deal with the serious disruption and broken fellowship that this movement has brought into their lives.

I don’t believe that the Nazarene denomination’s health should be measured by numbers of people, or how healthy the budget is, or even how many churches have been built in the last year.  Rather, it is measured in the steadfast, faithful obedience to Christ in ALL that He commands, and thus is also measured by the rejection of anything that contradicts the gospel “once for all delivered to the saints.” (Jude 3)  If any one preaches another gospel, Paul said that person should be accursed.  Is the Nazarene church starting to preach another gospel?

I could go on, but I have written to you before with my concerns in the past year.  Ever since General Assembly, when a group of us passed out 6,000 DVDs, yet were rebuffed by some of the leadership there, we have continued to ask questions and make others aware of the problem.  Many others have written to you with their concerns.  I cannot speak for them, but I am still waiting for answers.  I am asking you to please give a clear and unambiguous answer to the many questions that have been raised in the past several years.  Is lectio divina really a biblical practice?  Are prayer labyrinths okay?  Should pastors and teachers promote books by heretical mystics and pastor such as Rob Bell, who deny the infallibility of scripture?  Should Nazarene congregations worship inside a Roman Catholic Church, which teaches a false doctrine?  We know that you have denounced false teachers as unacceptable, but many are preying on our youth right now.  I think Nazarenes deserve to know which ones are they specifically that you think are false teachers, so we can “mark them” and  “avoid them” as scripture commands.

“Where do you stand on these issues?” It is a fair question that I believe deserves a fair answer.

Blessings and peace,

Manny Silva

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45 responses to “Open Letter To The Board of General Superintendents

  1. Please, please, give names. We need to know names of people who are promoting these ideas in our universities and churches.

  2. The problem of heretical teaching and emergent philosophy is so widespread among Nazarene churches that it would be most helpful if you suggest an area of interest.

    I could give you quite a bit of detail about the Nazarene churches we attended and the Nazarene college our sons attended and what has happened.

    My family lived in Richmond, Va., and most recently in White Stone, Va., and both those areas have fallen prey. The practice of the ‘NEW feel good gospel’ initially draws a crowd but the end result is real trouble.

    Christians cannot subsist without a substantial spiritual diet. It isn’t long before they grow weary and faint. They begin to look and act like the anemic world around us.

    We left the Nazarene denomination with a heavy heart and now attend an Assembly of God church. But, three years later guess what has shown up in the AG? Yep…the tenacles of the emergents, along with the resultant religious-humanism and the wickedness, the lies, the false teachings and heretical practices. All of these lead to an errant way of life and big trouble for the practitioners.

    We have been warned that many will come in His Name saying “I am the Christ” (many voices, many philosophies, many practices). Don’t follow. Run away from this deception and this strong delusion.

    I really don’t care how good it sounds our how good it feels, there is NO hope without the One True Living God – Jesus the Christ.

  3. Sondra, I can give you my list- but will the leadership ever let us know their list? Thus the purpose of this plea to them.

  4. I am a fourth generation Nazarene on both sides of my family. My husband’s father was a Nazarene pastor for forty years. We are sick about what’s happening in our local church. We live in Bakersfield, California. Two of our children attend Point Loma. My first area of interest is professors/faculty at PLNU promoting unbiblical teachings. I would like to start a website for parents of PLNU students that will show what each professor (beginning in the religion department) believes and teaches, just to make people aware of what teachers they should ask their children to avoid when forming class schedules.

  5. Sondra,
    This shows there’s a lot of brain matter out there that dwarfs mine. I never thought of that, but that is a very good idea. Sort of like a clearinghouse for screening the teachings of the university professors. “We report, you decide”, to borrow from Fox News.

    I don’t even think the universities would dare fuss about such an idea- I would think they would logically support it. Let the students and parents decide, based on the stated ideology of the professors, and even on the philosophy of the president and other leadership. Shine a little sunlight on all their beliefs, and let the prospective parents and students shop around and check the menu. If they don’t like it, go somewhere else.

    We could start with Dennis Bratcher perhaps- well known for his Process Theology views and low view of scripture.

  6. My late dad was a Nazarene pastor by the way for over 50 years. He would be heartbroken today over all this. He was a true holiness preacher.

  7. My grandpa and great-grandpa were Nazarene evangelists and pastors. My dad was a minister of music in the Church of the Nazarene for thirty years. I attended several different Nazarene churches in different cities/states while growing up, and I graduated from PLNU. I never once was taught that the Bible was not inerrant. I heard that idea for the first time in a Nazarene church about ten years ago, and I cannot now stand by and say nothing while emergent church philosophy takes hold in our denomination and mysticism and an extremely liberal agenda is promoted in our universities.

    I spent a long time just yesterday researching and communicating with my son, who attends PLNU, to help him refute (at least in his own mind) the evolution theories that are being presented as fact by his biology teacher! Last year, his literature professor stood up in front of the class and promoted gay marriage. I could go on and on…It’s unbelievable.

    I think the hardest part in setting up a website such as the one I mentioned above will be getting information about who believes and teaches what. I am thinking about sending out a survey to the PLNU professors asking them specific questions about what they believe and teach. I don’t know how easy or difficult it will be to get responses, though. If you or anyone else has any suggestions, please advise.

  8. Christian students need to be prepared for Spiritual Hell if they go to a Nazarene University or Seminary. They need to be taught to defend their faith against the demons of hell.

    1 Chronicles 11:14 But they took their stand in the middle of the field. They defended it and struck the Philistines down, and the LORD brought about a great victory.

  9. Here are the links to the Wendell Berry poem and Eugene Peterson book used in the 9/22/2010 Chapel from Mark Carter PLNU Director of Chaplaincy Ministries. Peterson’s term “practice of resurrection” is used through out the chapel talk.

    Wendell Berry’s “Manifesto: The Mad Farmer Liberation Front” http://www.context.org/ICLIB/IC30/Berry.htm

    “Practice Resurrection: A Conversation on Growing Up in Christ” Eugene Peterson. Hardback: Eerdmans, 2010
    http://erb.kingdomnow.org/featured-practice-resurrection-by-eugene-peterson-vol-3-8/

    ….the closing lines of Wendell Berry’s poem, “Manifesto: The Mad Farmer Liberation Front”, from which Peterson takes his book’s title, properly summarizes the stance we must all continue to take in the church:

    Be like the fox
    who makes more tracks than necessary,
    some in the wrong direction.
    Practice resurrection.

  10. Sondra,
    I am down the road in Fresno, and I too am frustrated with this emergent liberal theology being fed to us and our children. My son recently graduated from PLNU and I have no intentions on sending any of my younger children. I am also very concerned about what is being taught in our youth groups. I have worked with youth for many years in the church and I have recently seen a very disturbing trend in the curriculum as well and the messages from guest speakers that are obviously influenced by this emergent theology. I have two children that are planning on attending NYC next year and am concerned what will be going on there as well. Good to hear others in the valley are concerned.

    Terry.

  11. Manny, when I read your article, I was immediately drawn to the scripture found in Matthew 13: [14-15] where Jesus announced that the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled. “Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will not see and not perceive; For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn , So that I should heal them.”

    These words of Isaiah were again fulfilled in Jesus time and are being fulfilled again in our time. The truth then and now is that they hear but are half asleep, and their eyes are closed indicating they resist the truth that right in front of them. I believe this describes our leadership and their reluctance to act by asking for a full account of what is happening in our churches and institutions with instructions that if you cannot believe and support our doctrinal beliefs and list them, then you should tender your resignation at once before being asked to leave. I might add that another list include if you support any of these emergent practices then leave as well.

    How many letters must be written, how many Nazarenes must leave their churches, how many of our institutions must become polluted before anything is done?
    Lige

  12. Thanks Pam for those links!!

    I just began reading GRAVE INFLUENCE: 21 Radicals and Their Worldviews that Rule America From the Grave (by Brannon Howse)

    http://www.worldviewweekend.com/secure/store/product.php?ProductID=1164

    Here is a portion that I read this morning: pgs.23-25

    Besides using labor unions and environmental groups, radicals are partial to community organizers like ACORN to move forward their anti-American, anti-Christian worldview agenda.

    But all these strategies eventually converge. The question for humanistic leaders as the world neared the 21st century was how to bring the worldviews, values, and agendas of the 21 people we examine in this book to reality through legislation, international treaties, agreements and public policy. Their agendas could not be optional but compulsory, and it must be backed up with rewards for those who comply and punishment and reprisal for those who dissent. It must be international, not regional. So, after years of writing papers and holding conferences, the major world players–including America–met for the 1992 United nations Earth Summit in Brazil. The summit meeting crafted a laudable-sounding term to mask their real intentions. In true Orwellian style, “sustainable development” became the new buzzword.

    By design of these agents of change, “sustainable development” is difficult to define. But it involves the promotion of socialism, global governance, planned economies, and the end of individual liberties. From the ’92 Earth Summit came two documents: “Agenda 21” and the “Biodiversity Treaty.” Tom DeWeese of the American Policy Center has been one of America’s leading opponents of the freedom-robbing agenda in these two plans. He summarizes the threat this way:

    “Here the ideas were officially presented to world leaders that all government on every level needed to be transformed into top-down control over housing, food production, energy, water, private property, education, population control, gun control, transportation, social welfare, medical care, and literally every aspect of our lives. To get the full picture, add to these the U.N. Convention on the rights of the child and the convention on the elimination of all forms of discrimination against women, both of which create UN mandates on abortion, child rearing, and government interference on families.”

    The leaders in the educational establishment, the apostate Church, occultism/pagan spirituality, or the government-corporate complex want the idea of social and spiritual evolution embraced worldwide in order to bring about their desire “new order” or “new world order.”

    From pg. 26

    Emerging Trouble

    The pastors and authors of one of America’s fastest growing spiritual movements, the Emergent Church, sing the praises of socialism. As I’ll explain in more detail later, the Emergent Church champions the neo-Marxist call for a utopian society through spiritual evolution where good and evil merge to form a “better” third option.
    (end of book quote) ************************************

    Pam, your two links fit within the framework of what this book states.

    The emergent agenda is a liberal socialist agenda that markets itself to the naive as a new way to reach the postmodern generation through new means.

  13. I can’t understand how the PLNU Chair of the Trustees is a DS and he can’t or will not stop this nonsense.

  14. Pam,
    I’m beginning to think it is all about politics, numbers, and money. I pray that I am wrong.

  15. Manny (and Pam),

    It could be politics, numbers, and money… or it could just be theological disagreement.

    Have either of you asked him?

  16. Manny, maybe it was over throw the Government week at PLNU.

    If “Practice resurrection” means foxes, going the wrong way and making more tracks than necessary… I don’t think we are talking about the same “resurrection”. I think it was a typo for “Practice Insurrection”.

  17. pam; sorry but you are right. galatian1:10 they are preaching to please men rather than our Heavenly Father.why ? so they can bring in more people who will tithe, a better term probably contribute , to the church . which pays the REQUIRED budgets which adds to the g.s.,s & d.s. 401k & other retirement plans. there is a problem with their scheme . the verse just before!!!!! let them be accursed for preaching their false gospel. manny, i too honestly beleive it is time to name names and churchs that promote the work of anti- christ. after meeting with my pastor and voicing my serious concerns at the grave infiltration of the e.c. s ways at the church, my wife & i waited & prayed for a complete year to see some kind of change. nothing changed ….so we did . to n.w. bible church in okc, ok. the word is preached the bible taught, hearts strangely warmed , food for souls! blessings to all, mark

  18. Pam, can I ask with whom you have had unfruitful discussions? Was it the chair of the trustees at PLNU or did I lose track of the conversation somewhere? The reason I’m asking is because I personally know several people on the board at PLNU, including the chairman. Any light you could shed on what has already been discussed would help me in knowing how to approach them with my concerns.

    Terry, can you say what it was about your son’s experience that would keep you from sending your younger children there? If it has to do with content taught in classes, can you give specifics and names of professors? If you don’t feel free to be specific here, I would be glad to give you my personal email address.

  19. Sondra, I have a few months of unfruitful and frustrating discussions with Rich and other Nazarene Pastors on this blog. These Pastors are part of a group on the NazNet who taunt and ridicule people who believe all the Bible is true. The Pastors don’t do it here but they support those who do. It is a game I’m not willing to play.

    Look at the Message from the University Chaplain Rev. Gene Schandorff, Dean of the Chapel.
    http://www.nnu.edu/campus-life/spiritual-life/

    “If you’re looking for a safe place to hide from the world while you get a degree, NNU is probably not for you.”

    My question is who is it not safe for? Do people mug you in chapel? Who is hiding from the world?

    These online discussions only lead to better window dressing.

  20. I’m feeling ready to do something instead of just talking. I’ve been dialoguing with various Nazarenes who have unbiblical beliefs about reliability of scripture, open theism, emergent church idealogy, too. People on these blogs who disagree are not going to be convinced, so I don’t want to waste any more time with them. But there are also very influential people at these universities and churches who are not aware of what is being taught and/or are unaware of the dangers of what is being promoted. We need to make these people aware. I think we need to mobilize and get beyond blogs only and into real faces – lovingly, of course. (Maybe some have and I just haven’t heard.) How can we best do this?

  21. By the way – I ordered a very good emergent church DVD from Charlie Campbell’s (Calvary Chapel, San Diego) website http://www.alwaysbeready.com. It goes through what emergent church theology is, who the leaders are, and what they teach. It refutes the unbiblical emergent church philosophy/doctrine with scripture. Some of us have been showing it to various groups at our Nazarene church. People are starting to wake up. I would recommend this DVD.

  22. Sondra we also have a very good DVD out as well featuring Ray Yungen, Johann Michalesen, Gary Gilley, Mike Oppenheimer, Sandy Simpson.
    Its all on the Emergent Church.
    As for the naz netters I just read a thread on the antonement where it shows many of them (including teacher Dennis Bratcher and theology host Ben) do not even understand the very basic gospel of Jesus Christ.
    If you dont know the gospel of Jesus Christ you should not even be discussing theology because you probably are not even saved.
    This to me is very sad that these folks think they are ok and are in all acuality probably in very big trouble to say the least.
    Tim

  23. Thanks for that link, Sondra. We can send you a free copy of that DVD also that Tim mentioned. We passed out over 6,000 of them at Genaral Assembly lat year. Just email me at reformednazarene@hotmail.com with a mailing address. I will be able to also send you additional information or ideas via email than through the blog/

    How can we best approach some people who may be open to the information? Good question. While we think on that, here is an indication of the opposition we run into since the last few years I’ve been involved. It’s the latest post by David Felter, editor of Holiness Today.

    http://www.felterfamily.org/ideabridges/?p=231

    What he says in this piece, describes anyone who dares to question anything emergent in the Nazarene church. I will be posting a rather lengthy response to his article later on, probably around noon Eastern Time.

  24. To back my point Ben the theology host states
    “However, I think for the most part it has to do with the fact that apart from old, Reformation exegesis, it’s extremely hard to find any Penal Substitution in the Bible.

    If it can in fact be found, it is certainly one among many metaphors for speaking about the atonement and it is not the primary metaphor used to speak about atonement.”
    My comments-Wrong Ben its not a Reformation exegesis its a biblical exegesis people believed this (apart from Rome) since the book of Acts.

    Teacher? Dennis Bratcher states
    Yes! The human problem expressed in Genesis 3, the Bible’s primary definition of sin, is alienation (disrupted relationship) and its attending shame, symbolized in the imagery of nakedness. The narrative tells of consequences of sin, but speaks of no legal penalty that someone must pay. Even the indirect sacrificial imagery of God providing clothes to cover the couple’s nakedness is not as legal response but addresses the main issues of alienation and shame. It is our western legal mindset that reads it as legal guilt that requires penality.”
    Comments-Wow this guy is allowed to teach Christians but yet doesnt have a clue about the true Gospel of Jesus Christ taught very clearly and simply in scripture.
    Amazing
    The question was asked of Dennis “Dennis, how would you explain the Gospel, then? I’m not being sarcastic at all. This, too, is an honest question. If the Gospel is “He is risen!” then how do we better share the Gospel story with those who haven’t heard?
    Dennis goes on to explain
    “I apologize, but I am not sure what “explain the Gospel” means in this context. The concluding message of all four Gospels is entirely about Jesus’ resurrection (Matt 28:7-10; Mark 16:6-7; Luke 24:5ff; John 20). There is nothing in those narratives about atonement.”
    My comments- Part of the Gospel is no Gospel at all. No wonder these guys like and approve of Brian Mclaren.
    The question was bought up.
    “but to deny “penal substitution” or to make it peripheral is ludicrous…and part of me wants to say dishonest. It’s a false gospel.
    Theology host Ben goes on to say.
    “So the Greek Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church teach false Gospels?

    I mean, I could engage in answering the question, but I’m more interested in the ramifications of what you’ve said here. Do you really mean that? I simply cannot believe you do.”
    My comments- Wow there should be no question here the Gospel of Rome or the Greek Orthodox church as taught by those churches will not save anyone.
    But yet the theology host does not have the basic scriptural knowledge to figure this out.
    Scott and Dave over at Naz Net should hang their heads in shame for allowing the heresy to be so rampant on that site.
    Sorry about the rant Manny I know you have wiped your feet of these guys and gals.
    I will continue to expose them and their false teaching as I feel moved to.
    Some may seem to intrepret me as mean spirited but I feel saddness for the men who do not know the true Gospel of Jesus Christ but feel anger because of the folks the popular false teachers at naz net deceive.
    This seems to be off topic but Dave still has a big voice within the Nazarene denomination as well as with the Generals but shows a great lack of discernment on his site with allowing heresy to be spread and people to be deceived.
    Thats my opinion anyway
    Ok Im done now
    Blessings
    Tim

  25. That’s okay, Tim. I have no problem with talking about the NazNetters- we need to keep exposing some of them. I’ll do it also. I mention them a little bit in my upcoming post. I’ve just shaken the dust off from talking with them anymore- although I still read their posts from time to time.

  26. It is amazing what folks like Ben, Dennis, and others continue to post on Naznet. You almost think they are writing some kind of spoof- but the really believe what they say!

    And after lambasting me and you, Dennis always signs off… Grace and peace.

  27. Sondra,

    It was not anything my son mentioned concerning any of his professors. It was my own experiences I had at a few chapel services that made me think, as well as other services that I listened to that had emergents like Brian McLaren speaking at a Pastors Weekend. I also had friends that had children in the science department that were under the teaching of Darrel Falk who is part of the Biologos group that believes evolution and biblical Christianity can coincide.

    I spoke this past weekend with a past graduate that has two children at PLNU. His comment was that it has always been the intent at PLNU to introduce many ideas and let the students learn how to discern because that is how it will be when they move on. While I see some benefit to this, presenting ideas without proper guidance and context can be dangerous in a setting like PLNU because students and in particular parents believe they are sending their kids to an environment that is going to be safe and going to point them to the biblical Christ.

    Terry

  28. Terry, I feel the same way. If you put on your website that you are distinctly Christian then be distinctly Christian. If you are going to throw the philosophical kitchen sink at them in every area of education and Chapel don’t say it’s Christian philosophy, Biblical or call it Chapel.

    I encourage strong debate in a debate forum with rules and strong orators. For example if they bring in the best resources for Evolution discussion then I expect the best resources on the Creationist side of the debate.

  29. I would like to connect with “Sondra” regarding her students who attend/attended PLNU. Please provide her with my email address in this regard.

    Our son had a NT class at PLNU taught by a visiting professor who required a textbook authored by Bart Erhman, a self-proclaimed agnostic and well known theology scholar in the area of contextual criticism of the Bible ( I didn’t know this until I “googled” his name). When I notified the college president re this concern, his response very much diminished my concerns noting that academic freedom allows for students to be exposed to all areas of theology both conservative and liberal and this is part of the liberal arts education at PLNU. In regard to my concerns about “emergent” chapel speakers he responded in the same manner.

    I would warn parents of students that the faith portrayed at PLNU is quite different than the solid biblical instruction of the past. It is my belief that the board of trustees are most likely older Nazarene Christians who do not attend the chapels and/or review textbooks and are very much unaware of the emergent theology movement within their universities. If someone out there knows those who sit on the board of trustees, a letter and contact meeting should be arranged. Our students faith depend upon solid biblical instruction at these universities. I would be happy to attend such a meeting.

  30. Sondra,
    if you want to get in touch with Ann, send me your email, and I’ll forward it to her.

  31. Manny,
    I sent an email to you a few days ago that contained my email address. I will resend it. Please do provide my info to Ann. Thanks!

  32. Manny stated”
    And after lambasting me and you, Dennis always signs off… Grace and peace.”
    With Dennis its only grace and peace if you agree with his heritical teaching.
    Which is actually a oxymoron.
    With heresy you have zero grace and zero peace.
    Tim

  33. Just think folks how sly the deceiver is. It’s a joke that
    these young people “need to hear the other side” so they will know both good and evil. Let’s just let the children learn the hard way. How dumb. Some must carry light Bibles because they have ripped out the pages they feel are errant.

  34. It’s really a sad day for our church. Had no clue about this until the last few days and was able to come across it on the Rapture ready website. Thank you for these reports.

  35. Manny, I’m curious… did you ever receive any response to the open letters you wrote to the board of General Superintendents?

  36. Annette, I am still waiting. I may at a later time, perhaps next month, publish the letter I sent to them months ago, the response I got from them, and my response to their answer to me.

  37. Manny, Thanks. I would love to see their response. I emailed them a week or so ago, and am very interested to see if I receive a response and what it is. I’m totally shocked by what is happening in our churches and colleges, but what really bogges my mind is that seemingly nothing is being done about it by our leaders. They have had these issues brought to their attention, they cannot claim ignorance. Apathy, maybe, but not ignorance. I am praying and hoping that they will get on their knees, seek God’s face, and decide that no matter the cost, they will take up their cross and follow Jesus by standing for Biblical truths. Even if it means some hard actions and decisions, they need to clean house of the unbiblical doctrines that have infiltrated our denomination. Thanks for being the “watchman on the tower”; we are standing with you.

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