Symptoms Of A Great Apostasy In Our Christian Schools And Seminaries

Acts 20:28-31 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.

There are still some good Christian colleges out there, you just need to search hard, find them, and verify what they profess to stand for.  You cannot simply trust the fact that a school labels itself Christian anymore.  This has been obvious to me in my last two years of investigation, and the facts are appalling and shameful.  We need to stop being a little less polite or politically corrent, and be more honest and upfront about the dangers facing our youth today.  Souls are at risk!

I just cannot see myself sending my son to a “Christian” university someday simply because it claims to be a Christian school.  Some folks say that they would rather send their child to any “Christian” school rather than a secular school. Imagine the horror, however, if your child goes to a “Christian” school, and after four years, comes home having learned and incorporated all sorts of pagan practices and unbiblical ideas into his life, or doubting the truthfulness of the Bible, after you entrusted him into the hands of supposedly solid Christian teachers and administrators.  My friends, many of these schools are all marching down the road of one-worldism, and ecumenical false unity, and an the incorporation of personal mystical experiences over the sufficiency of the word of God. And I have noticed over the last few years that many Christians are either not aware of, or just don’t care about, the signs of a great apostasy invading our Christian schools.

There is hardly a Christian university around anymore that can be trusted with your son or daughter’s spiritual well-being.  It is getting harder to recommend a school that you can be confident has a strong biblical foundation.  With the usual lame excuse of offering a “healthy liberal arts education”, this problem is showing up in all denominations, and in my particular denomination, the Nazarenes, it is a horrendous problem that I never dreamed would happen.  But it is, and it is a nightmare of “biblical proportions.”  And many Nazarenes are still stubbornly refusing to acknowledge this problem and deal with it according to scripture.  But deal with it we must.

One of the nightmares for instance is occurring at Point Loma Nazarene University.  I do not advise parents to send their children there at all. Point Loma proudly welcomed heretical emergent leader Brian McLaren- again- to speak there in February of 2009.  McLaren is a false teacher who considers the Cross like false advertising for God; who as a pastor does not understand what scripture clearly teaches about homosexuality; who cannot come to say that Jesus Christ is the only way to God.  Yet, Point Loma’s leaders either have no clue, or have bought into the lies and are deceived.  Students are being led like lambs to the slaughter, spiritually, at this school.  And having heard from alumni and concerned parents, these leaders have done nothing as of yet, as far as I know.

Point Loma has been promoting mysticism for a while now.  They have no problem bringing in Richard Foster to their school, to teach our young people the ways of occultic mysticism.  And they have shown their continued lack of discernment by hosting a bizarre conference called Nurturing The Prophetic Imagination.  Here, in this video, Dr. Peter Jones describes this conference as well as the school’s connection with Madame Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society, an occultic organization.  Dr. Jones also mentions how several feminist professors at Point Loma are promoting a radical blurring of male-female roles that is unbiblical, as well as the radical social justice that is plaguing many Nazarene colleges.  One of their professors, Dennis Bratcher, teaches process theology, a heresy that says that God learns from His mistakes.  And Professor Darrel Falk is a leading member of BioLogos and is a promoter of evolution as being compatible with the Bible.

Then there is Northwest Nazarene University, which is just about as bad as Point Loma. I would also strongly advise against sending your child to this school without investigating.  The classic example I have on my blog is the horrendously pagan lecture given by Dr. Jay McDaniel in front of NNU students, with the approval of leadership and faculty, including Dr. Tom Oord.  What a disturbing display of pagan and universalistic thinking that was indoctrinating our college Christian students, with not a word of protest from those who are teachers of our young people.  To this day, we have heard only excuses and pitiful explanations for this sad exhibition.  And there’s more of course, as NNU also hosted Brian McLaren and his ridiculous worship of mother earth and mis-translation of John 3:16 as meaning that Jesus came to save planet earth (see Eric Barger’s video).  Their theology curriculums are filled with books by mystics and emergent heretical authors.  Many (not all) of their teachers reject the Bible as the infallible word of God, and consider much of it as only myths.

Trevecca Nazarene University is in bad shape as well.  They have been going on field trips every year now to the Abby of Gethsemane, home to the late mystic Thomas Merton.  They have been indulging in the pagan practice of the prayer labyrinth, and when they were exposed, they changed the name of this practice to “prayer walk.”  They promote books by emergent church leaders, heretical mystics and contemplative spirituality proponents to their students.  In practice, this school is rejecting solid biblical principles by bringing in the ways of Roman Catholic monastic mysticism and emergent church heresy.

My own alma mater, Eastern Nazarene College, is exhibiting many signs of poor judgment.  The school is now also getting onto the social justice bandwagon.  They have a new social justice program with connections to a Marxist.  Can we also remember the hosting of Tony Campolo, in spite of my warnings to the leadership a few months before?  Campolo did not fail us in our expectations, as he promoted his occultic mysticism to a chapel full of young students, and perhaps more sadly, to also a good number of Nazarene pastors and leaders that day.  How sad that as far as I know, none have spoken out against this travesty. ENC is also home to Karl Giberson, a professor who does not believe the entire Bible, but insists that we came from evolutionary processes.  And he also promotes the heresy of open theism (God cannot know the future).  Their bookstore is full of books by heretical emergent leaders, and also promotes Roman Catholic bibles, including one with a prayer rosary inside.  In February, they will be hosting a speaker, Rachel Held Evans, who will be taking part in the Big Tent Christianity Conference and apparently has no problem associating with heretical speakers such as Marcus Borg and Brian McLaren.    A quote of her latest blog post gives us some insight into her thinking (emphasis mine) :  My tradition teaches that all non-Christians will be damned to hell for eternity, which can be supported with some interpretations of Scripture, but which violates every compassionate instinct God gave me as a human being and follower of Jesus.”

It seems that discernment has disappeared at my old school.  I would not recommend it at this time for any discerning parent to send their child.

Just because I did not mention the other Nazarene schools, does not necessarily mean they don’t have problems.  Nazarene Theological Seminary is frankly no better.  It is shamelessly promoting mysticism, including a Spring course taught by Dr. Doug Hardy called Celtic Spirituality, an occultic belief system that is nothing but paganism pretending to be Christian!  They have even promoted mystical and Roman Catholic practices to our young children of middle school age!  I dread to think of what future pastors will be preaching and promoting, as many of them buy into the unbiblical teachings that are being taught at our top seminary.

Oh, there are others schools besides Nazarene.  You will need to do some serious homework and ask some hard questions while demanding clear answers, before deciding where to send your child.  There are many universities once trusted for years, but no longer.  Fuller Theological Seminary is more aptly now called a cemetery.  Baylor University, Biola University (known for its apologetics!); Dallas Theological Seminary, George Fox University, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, and many more, are delving into contemplative spirituality, emergent church ideology, social justice tinged with Marxism, worship of the creation, and post-modern theological ramblings that go nowhere but to confuse already confused young people.

Am I crazy that I don’t want my son to go to a “Christian” school where the theology professors don’t even believe in the inerrant, infallible word of God?  Am I crazy that I don’t want my son to be taught that you can have “an experience” with God, unlike anything taught in the Bible?  Or that he is going to have a social justice ideology rammed down his throat at the expense of solid biblical foundations?  Or that he is being introduced to Roman Catholic mysticism, prayer beads, and mantra style prayer?

Apostasy is here in our Christian universities and seminaries.  Some of us just need to stop being in denial.

34 responses to “Symptoms Of A Great Apostasy In Our Christian Schools And Seminaries

  1. You know “they” will say you are anti-intellectual for this.

    Seems any time someone speaks or writes something scriptural and logical, that is what happens.

    But thank you for continuing the fight.

  2. Yea Manny thanks great article and thanks for naming names of the false teachers to avoid.
    I still am convinced the Nazarene denomination is done because of weak leadership at the top who accept heresy as the norm

  3. At this point I would rather have my child attend a secular school because at least we would know going in to expect “worldly” wisdom and that we do not speak with the same “spiritual” meanings.

  4. Manny, you are correct there are very few “Christian Colleges” that I would encourage students to attend. I am not even sure you should call a college or university “Christian” if they reject the Bible as being without error. I find it very troubling that these institutions do not openly admit what they teach and believe in any of their brochures or on any of their websites. They claim to be ‘Christian” but then reject core “Christian” beliefs.

    The Southern Baptist Convention faced a very similar issue in the late 1970s to mid 1980s. The major difference was that the leadership of the SBC was conservative and was able to effect change within the denomination. They adopted a full inerrancy view of the Bible (The Chicago Statement) and required ALL professors to sign a theologically conservative statement of faith. Those that did not were not given new teaching contracts.

    The same thing is happening in the CotN, except the pastors are required to sign stating they “are in hearty accord with ALL doctrines and positions of the church” which includes limited inerrancy.

    Grace and Peace

  5. I am in hearty accord with what the scriptures teach! And in hearty accord with God’s position on inerrancy.

  6. “I find it very troubling that these institutions do not openly admit what they teach and believe in any of their brochures or on any of their websites. ” Amen!
    As I have said before I would want to know if the teacher was a pedophile. I certainly would want to know if their beliefs didn’t correspond to the biblical mandates.

  7. I really think it all comes down to money. Correct me if I’m worng but Bilbe college first began to prepare people for ministry. they then began to add other study fields so that those student who didn’t feel led to vocational ministry could still get a Christian education. When my wife attended MVNC (now MVNU) her counseler tried to talk her out of her plans to be a song evangelist “you can’t make much money doing that”.

  8. Why would a counselor for a so called Christian School worry about how much money a person would make with a degree? College donors….
    Its all a scam for money. Denominations, colleges, local churches…its all about the money…

  9. I was wondering if a seminary, college/university, church, or denomination affirms that the Bible has errors should they be considered to be “Bible Believing”?

    This is a very sobering question because if the answer is “NO”, then there are some very hard choices that Bible-Believing Christians will need to make. If the answer is “YES” then it would almost seem that we are in favor of “Big Tent Theology”

    Thoughts on this..

    Grace and Peace,

  10. My thoughts; Saying you believe the Bible has errors does not make you Bible-believing. Such a statement ought to make you tremble.

  11. Manny,
    Thanks for a great post and all who have made comments.

    Paul in his letter to Timothy confirms that the Bible was inspired by God. 2 Timothy [3:16] “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instructions in righteousness.” “All Scripture” includes both the Old and New Testament. “Inspiration of God” to me means Divine guidance or Divine influence on human beings so that God’s word is without error. In other words nothing left to chance.

    If this were not so then Isaiah and Jesus statement Himself is false. Isaiah [40:8] states; “The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever.” and I would add ever and ever. and in Matthew [24:35] Jesus said; “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.” God word cannot be lost.

    If one believes in the attributes of God, and I believe most do, why is it so hard to believe that God can’t preserve His word without error. God can choose whoever, whatever means necessary to do so without man’s permission or approval.

    To have pastors sign that they believe in “limited inerrancy” is a violation of God’s word itself. It is like asking them not to believe all the Bible only the portions that the church sanctions. I would ask those who believe this to point out which portions of Scripture is in error? I hope I am wrong.

    Personally I have never found one lie, or contridiction of truth in the Bible. This only happens when so-called Bible scholars can’t explain something they don’t understand. Not to appear ignorant they look for a way out and in this scenario they blame the Bible itself as imperfect.

  12. Unless one is prepared to respond to inquistive minds, the inquisitive students of the Bible will be difficult to respond to. Contradictions oftentimes must be explained, in these cases, by our own reasoning powers as much as we might hate to admit it……..and this is not exactly fundamental Christianity. A case in point would be Luke 14:26….”if anyone does not hate his father, mother…etc……he cannot be my disciple”. To the questioning mind this contradicts many of the bedrock fundamentals of the church including the 10 Commandments and the great commandment of Christ. How do we answer someone seeking to reconcile these contradicting scriptures ? It seems hypoctrical to condemn others if, we ourselves are incapable of answering them. Furthermore when we make the claims that scripture is inerrant we should specify which translations of the Bible we are making this claim for. By the way, there is one translation of the Bible which resolves Luke 14:26……..but it is not a traditional translation.

  13. Okay, well, I think that means you don’t completely trust in all of the Bible- just parts of it.
    I choose to trust all of God’s word.

  14. missouriElder, I’m not sure if I understood your comment correctly or to whom you were referring when you wrote, “It seems hypoctrical to condemn others if, we ourselves are incapable of answering them.” There are many resources to which we can point inquisitive students who question the meaning of certain verses like the one you mentioned.

    I found this commentary about Luke 14:26 on Luk 14:26 “If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother,” etc. The word “hate” is used in Scripture comparatively with love. Thus, it is stated in Gen 29:31, “When the Lord saw that Leah was hated;” but this is explained in the preceding verse (v 30), “he loved Rachel more than Leah;” “hated,” in verse 31, is the “less loved” in verse 30. So, “if any man hate not his father,” etc., must mean, “If any man love his father above me, serve, or sacrifice, or suffer for an earthly relationship more than for me.”

  15. missouriElder,

    Thank you for being so open and honest in your response. I would like to encourage you to consider the concept of “presuppositions.” Meaning what we believe to be true beforehand. For example, do we believe God’s Word to be true or to have errors – how we answer this is our presupposition. When we read a difficult passage (Luke 14:26) we use our presupposition to reconcile the passage.

    Those that have the presupposition that God’s Word has no errors can easily see that Jesus is speaking using the style of “overstatement” to make his point.

    Those that have the presupposition that God’s Word has errors will as you did say this is inconsistent with “Honor thy father and mother.” Or they will use the literary genre of “overstatement” and then try to apply that line of logic to other portions of the Bible – specifically the creation account (this happened to me with several of my liberal professors at NBC).

    Your statement of “It is hypocritical to condemn others if, we ourselves are incapable of answering them” is a misconception on your part, because The Bible condemns those who reject it’s teachings not man.

    Also, your comment on “translations” is an argument against a straw-man as there are many translations with man-induced errors. For example the “wicked bible” from 1639 says “Thou SHALL commit adultery” (I wonder if there were critics of the Bible that said “Look at this error in the Bible.”) Also, there will always be translation issues with any text, but this does not mean that there are issues with the original. Sadly, the Board of General Superintendents have decided that even the original autographs contain errors which is contrary to the teachings of Scripture and the teachings of Jesus Christ. So we must decide who is correct and who we will follow – Jesus Christ or the GSs.

    My question to you is why do you desire the Bible to have errors?

    Grace and Peace

  16. missouri elder states ” It seems hypoctrical to condemn others if, we ourselves are incapable of answering them. ”
    With all respect sir you must be new to these boards.
    Questions have been answered time and time again.
    I would encourage you to perhaps take at least a couple days to go through older posts and read how the questions were responded to.
    The problem is not that we don’t answer folks questions.
    The problem is they don’t like our answers.
    Scripture in no way contradicts itself.
    You just choose (it seems) to not trust God’s Word in it’s whole.
    And that opens the door to relativism and this is the very root problem of the false teachings of the Emergent (now they call it Missional which is a contradiction in terms unless their mission is to tear down scripture) Church.
    Discernment ministries will often get in the same battle with questions that have been asked and answered time and time again.
    If scripture is not without error what parts of it are true and what is false?
    And how can we trust the parts about salvation only?
    And what backs up anyone’s thoughts that scripture is without error alone in matters to do with salvation?
    Many of us here choose to trust all of Gods Word.
    The bigger problem is sometimes our egos get in the way. (probably would be good to use Dennis Bratcher as a example here).
    If we can’t figure it out logically it just can’t be so.
    That is another root problem and scripture teaches us that it is the burden of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us into all truth.
    We need to trust in His teaching not our own rational minds.
    Which is a stumbling block to many as it was in the Apostle Paul”s day.

    John 16:13-15
    However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.

    The burden is to put our egos aside and submit to the Holy Spirit’s showing us the truth of scripture cover to cover.
    This is how the Bible was written without error.
    This is how people will understand scripture.
    It’s when our egos get in the way and we are not submitted to His teaching that people,denominations etc.. will fall into error

  17. missouriElder, If you would like a specific answer then please ask a specific question.

    It comes down to logic vs faith and that is between God and you in the end.

    I choose to live as Abraham and that might not fit a theology matrix or grid because God refuses to be defined or have borders drawn on who he is and what he can do because he is God and reserves the right to act like God.

    My belief includes Creation, the Flood, Abraham, Jacob -> Israel, Egyptian bondage and exit, Moses & Joshua, the judges, the kings, captivity, freedom, longing for the Messiah, John, Jesus, the disciples, the Gospels, earliest church history, Paul’s letters and the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John the disciple who Jesus loved.

    Romans 4:3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

    Galatians 3:6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

    Hebrews 11:8-16
    8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[b] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.

    13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one.

  18. I lived through the “battle for the Bible” in another denom when the CotN was not available.

    We need to be very careful here.

    I believe the Bible is inerrant.

    I believe what it says. Period.

    BUT–and it is a big one–very often people will try to make their personal interpretation of the Bible what is inerrant.

    They decide what they believe, find a proof text to “prove” it, and believe anyone who disagrees does not “believe the Bible.”

    There are two poles we must avoid: one is that the Bible is full of error, the other is that our personal interpretation is inerrant.

  19. I agree Sarah with you. The primary scripture that comes to mind is:

    2 Peter 1:19-22 (King James Version)
    We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    I think several of the comments previously said it well about trusting the Holy Spirit to guide us, and that we should allow scripture to interpret scripture.
    We get into trouble when we pre-suppose something, then look to support it by then using scripture passages out of context.

    (For instance, someone who says we should NEVER judge others, and just leave it to God, using Matthew chapter 7, v1, and never continuing on to the full context of this passage, and others, that clearly does not forbid that we judge others.)

  20. I agree Sarah. If a theologian tried to define the Bible 10 years ago or 1000 and got it wrong then their lens needs correction not a redefinition of God.

    We need to let the Bible says what it says. The people who stand out as greats in Christian history were able to read and understand it without their culture skewing their perspectives.

    I have no problem saying Revelation is true and not understanding how the specifics play out. It just says what it says and I accept it.

  21. You share a dilemma that is not uncommon with many that are new in the faith. Many people believe without understanding and, therefore, because they do not understand they are incapable of being able to explain to those entering the faith. Good luck to you as you attempt to witness to others…..:)

  22. Not sure who that is directed at, MissouriElder. But anyway, I assume since you did not object to my assumption- that you do NOT believe that the entire Bible is true in all it teaches. I can clearly state my position on that- I believe all of it is true.

  23. Manny I believe missouri elder is basically saying we don’t know what we are talking about.
    At least thats the way its worded.
    Like many who browse these boards (Rich etc..)
    They used to be half fundi and have mental like us and then they went to school and got smart.
    Again leaving the burden on many teachers who do not even believe in the whole council of scripture instead of putting the burden on the Holy Spirit and trusting in His teaching.
    Not saying classes lead by Spirit lead teachers is a bad thing

  24. 1. missouriElder said, “You share a dilemma that is not uncommon with many that are new in the faith.”

    What does new in the faith mean? Are you saying that, I or we are baby Christians or people who hasn’t see much of life and it’s heart aches or they would have wised up by now?

    2. missouriElder said, “Good luck to you as you attempt to witness to others…..:)”

    That is an assumption not a question.

    missouriElder, your first comment seemed to be a 5 question enigma that could have been spun in many different ways. That doesn’t mean that you’re smarter it means that you are afraid to ask a question so you need to cloak your comments and questions in mystery and riddles. It also means that you don’t trust people and maybe you don’t trust yourself.

    The gospel and the Bible haven’t failed no you have failed to ask the question.

    If you are going to file our responses under “Simpletons who Believe the Bible” I get that also but you are putting God and his word to the test and that has been tried also. (Please reread the Gospels for further references.)

    Peter was praised by proclaiming Jesus as the Christ and rebuked for trying to keep him from the Cross.

    Which part is human logic and which one was faith?

  25. One of the greatest accomplishments by the liberal and neo-orthodox theologians was to cause people to believe that “fundamentalist” and “legalism” were the same thing – which they are not. In many of my theology classes at NBC we were taught the ‘dangers of fundamentalism.” I did some research on Fundamentalism and what are their core beliefs – here they are.

    1. The Bible alone is the Holy Spirit-inspired Word of God, and is the source of all revelation, doctrine, and authority.
    2. Grace alone is the basis for salvation.
    3.Faith is the only means through which one can attain the free gift of eternal life.
    4. Christ is the only Savior and the only mediator between God and man.

    (I actually have a post on my blog about this –

    The liberal and neo-orthodox theologians have attacked the position of inerrancy by creating a false view of the people that hold it – the fundamentals. they have done such a good job at this that very few people want to be considered “a fundamentalist.”

    missouriElder equates believing in the full inerrancy of the Bible to being “new to the faith.” Well, he is partially correct. The Bible does say that without faith like a child no one will see the kingdom of God. It is true that the position of “scholarship” is that the Bible is not fully inerrant. However, the inerrancy of the Bible is not an issue of “scholarship” but an issue of “Lordship”.

    missouriElder, your comment “Good luck to you as you attempt to witness to others” is very disturbing especially since you are an elder. Do you not know that it is the Lord who receives the increase? (1 Corinthians 3:6) It is not us who “saves” people it is the Lord. Do you believe that if a person believes the Bible has no errors they will not be an effective witness? If so I would like to see a verse that supports that.

    As your brother in Christ (and fellow elder) I would encourage you to no longer teach that the Word of God has errors. By teaching this position you are causing many believers to stumble in his or her faith. You are also causing them to doubt the truthfulness of the Word of God. Jesus Christ gives a stern warning about those who do this: Matthew 18:6, “whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”

    Grace and Peace

  26. It seems like a Middle Ages Papal Supremacy vs Biblical in-errancy issue. You can’t trust the Bible but you can trust us.

  27. Hi Manny,
    I was reading some quotes from Leonard Ravenhill on the Arminian Today posts. Interestingly he says this, “The Bible is either absolute or it’s obsolete.” Also this, “When there is something in the Bible that churches don’t like, they call it ‘legalsm.'” So appropriate.

  28. MissouriElder,

    Respectfully I would like to point out the hyperbole in the statement found in Luke. A good explanation on this passage is from CRI called “hate or hyperbole” ->

    There are probably better references to struggle with than just a clear statement of hyperbole (another example would be to “pluck out the offending eye” from Matt 5:29) and yet none of these are good reasons to doubt scriptural inerrancy.

    NOTE: I wonder if sometimes the “worrys” of defending biblical inerrancy come from biblical unfamiliarity? Has the world really bedraggled that much fear into our church ranks?

  29. 1 Corinthians 3:10-23

    10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

    16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

    18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.” 21 So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God.

  30. I must say that I am pleased to see so many responses. Somehow the assumption has been made that I do not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. I never said that and I do believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. But my understanding of ‘innerancy’ is probably different than what many people believe. To point out that a contradiction appears in the Bible is not proof of error. In my opinion these mysteries of the Bible are quite deliberate and intentional……..the purpose being to force us to meditate on the word of God(Psalm 1:2). Our meditations should prove that it is futile to rely on our own understanding(Proverbs 3:5) but that we should seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit that leads us unto all truth. I simply stated in my original posting that it is quite obvious that Luke 14:26(taken literally…….which is what any novice to Christianity would do) stands in direct contradiction to the entire tenor of the Bible. At least it seems obvious to me……..perhaps someone wiser than I can make a case that the words ‘love’ and ‘hate’ are not opposites. We take on a mission far too great for us if we attempt to give the impression that we fully understand the Bible and to state so is a sure sign that pride and ego have control of us. Deuteronomy 29:29 reminds us that “The secret things belong to the Lord, Our God”. Matthew 13, for instance, indicates that parables were not given for easier understanding(as is commonly believed) but rather to remain hidden from those that were not disciples. A genuine understanding of them can only be derived from meditation and the infusion of the Holy Spirit.

  31. MissouriElder,
    I’m glad that you corrected my assumption and affirmed your belief in the inerrancy. Sadly, I have seen statements by even some of our former General Superintendents that do not affirm that. I’m going to assume that belief in inerrancy also indicates a rejection of those who say that the Genesis account of creation is just a story, as well as other historical accounts. A true inerrantist would not then go out and say that much of what is written as history, is not really history.

    I am puzzled as to your comment, which you said: “We take on a mission far too great for us if we attempt to give the impression that we fully understand the Bible and to state so is a sure sign that pride and ego have control of us.”
    Were you referring to yourself, or anyone in particular who has said that they “fully understand the Bible”. I don’t know anyone who has ever said that, even those that I disagree with.

  32. Trevecca also teaches that the Bible was written by man, not God, that God can change, isn’t omniscient. I was so shocked when I went to a Reformed Seminary and biblical exegesis was so much easier as they threw out redaction and other higher criticisms.

    Their science department teaches going green and evolution. I did their prayer walk long before I knew better. I’ve also seen many long-time Nazarenes go Catholic and never felt more surrounded by democrats or fornicators. What’s sad is that is was quite wholesome my first two years when Millard Reed was president, but it went down when Dan Boone took over. He’s also soft on homosexuals and believes in the gay gene, though he did tell me in e-mail that he’s against homosexual practice.

    I hate this about my alma mater, and I really wish we could do more about this.

  33. Pretty sad situation at Trevecca, Meghan. It seems to be the place where a Nazarene is most likely to convert to Catholicism! Ironic.
    They are in the top three of the worst- and I do not recommend any of the schools right now- including the seminary.
    What we are trying to do now is essentially warn as many as possible- the leadership in all these schools seem to be tone deaf- the Generals have not responded except with lawyerly like answers- the people sit in their pews fast asleep! We are truly in the days of apostasy.

    Thanks for your comments at the Shack posting- I’ll visit your site later on tonight.

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