What They Believe

The unbelievers

Tom Oord, Northwest Nazarene theology professor; Michael Lodahl, Point Loma theology professor; Dan Boone, President of Trevecca Nazarene University;
Carl Leth, Olivet Nazarene Dean of Theology; Rob Staples, Professor Emeritus of Nazarene Theological Seminary;  Jon Middendorf, Sr Pastor of OKC First Church; Stephen Borger, Intermountain Nazarene District Superintendent.

(All are members of Nazarenes Exploring Evolution- www.exploringevolution.com)

They all believe in evolution, which forces one to accept the following:

-Adam and Eve were not real historical figures as described in Genesis;

-Jesus was not truthful when he talked about Adam and Eve in a historical context;

-You reject God’s account in Genesis that He created everything in six days;

-You reject the ​truthfulness of the​ genealogical account of the Lord in Matthew, which includes Adam;

-The account of the first 11 chapters of Genesis is only allegory;

-You accept that death came into the world many years before Adam and Eve, contradicting Romans 5:12 and its explanation of how sin and death came into the world;

-You pick and choose what you want to believe, instead of accepting God’s historical account at face value;

-You choose to use your own intellect and human reasoning and philosophy to validate the Bible, instead of letting the Bible validate itself;

-You reject the inerrancy and reliability of Scripture as the sole and final written authority for our faith and practice, and instead accept that the Bible has errors.

WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?  MAN, OR GOD’S WORD?

 

Read their essays, plus essays by others, and be amazed at the unbelief and rejection of God’s account of creation.  See how man’s religion has led these men to bring so many others to a point of denial of God’s whole truth, and how they pick and choose and rationalize as to what is truth and what is not.

www.exploringevolution.com

Quotes:

“…I do not assume that the opening chapters of Genesis compose a scientific textbook presenting a play-by-play historical description of the beginning of the world…

“Genesis narrates to us, through poetic language and metaphorical imagery.

“the point is not that these biblical texts are presenting scientific information about the world”
Michael Lodahl

 

“Gen. 1 takes no position on the age of the earth or the method by which it came into existence.

“Our belief is not rooted in the how, because Scripture has not chosen to reveal the how.”

 “I know that many people have already discovered all the answers they are willing to consider on issues of creation and science. They prefer not to be confused with other facts. Sadly, a conversation will not be possible, and their decision about a college for their sons and daughters may be the way they protest my involvement.”

“So while we believe God to be the Creator of all things, Gen. 1 is not necessarily the story of material creation.”
Dan Boone

“The book of Genesis says “the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground” (Gen. 2:7), but it does not say how long God took to do it. Maybe millions of years?”
“Furthermore, the Genesis creation account is a theological statement, not a scientific one.
Rob Staples

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6 responses to “What They Believe

  1. It’s interesting…I attended a seminary that will hold another Creation Conference titled “Your Origins Matter” and down the street, during the same month, the “Christian” college I went to will be hosting an Evolution Conference called “Exploring Evolution.” Consistent with their theology, the latter will be explaining why a literal translation of the Bible is false.

    I’ve heard Professor Lodahl and Mann speak before dozens of times(mostly because I would be fined if I didn’t attend chapel). They will take the liberal view of Scripture at every turn. At a time when a seminary down the street from you is having their annual Your Origins Matter conference, PLNU will have their Exploring Evolution conference. As a student who graduated from both schools, I’ve seen such as stark contrast between the conservative Bible believing school and the one that is merely known for its “nice campus.” Much like the white-washed tombs that Jesus preached about, the campus of Point Loma is filled with professors who claim to live their lives based on a Book the continually claim as false. It’s no surprises that the Atheists Coalition praises Point Loma’s “Christian” professor’s like Dr. Lodahl and Mann for their work and belief in evolution. (http://www.atheistcoalition.org/archives.html) They certainly do the atheists a favor! It’s unfortunate they won’t even allow for a debate on this subject. If they are willing, I have multiple friends from the Institute for Creation Research that would be more than willing to debate biblical interpretation of Genesis.

  2. I understand the waffling by the theologians due to their relationship with learned educators that accept “Godly evolution” and the other eight listed beliefs, so I read the articles by the science professors.
    If I have been made aware of major discrepancies in the scientific “carbon-14” dating methodology, surely these highly educated know it, too. I understand there are at least five other dating methods and each have discrepancies. Yet, no one admitted to the existence of any scientific dating problem that directly calls into question the “old earth” viewpoint or would deny the validity of evolution.

  3. This is what happens when the inerrancy and infallibility of Scripture is not believed nor defended. The sad reality is that every movement that began seeking God and then turned away to embrace humanism has failed. The Nazarenes are just the long line of failed movements that began so strong with an emphasis on the Bible and upon holiness and today they are turning into another dead liberal denomination. John Wesley would be shocked.

  4. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” The first verse in the Bible to me is without doubt one of the most prolific verses found in Scripture. If we change the text, as some are doing today, to mean something else, then the rest of the Bible is questionable anytime, anywhere, by anyone, including the church. The Torah, in the original Hebrew, never divided its self into chapters and verses as we have today. Therefore, the first account of creation found in chapter 1 and the second account in chapter 2 are the same account expressed differently for different purposes. In Genesis [2: 1-3] actually belongs in chapter 1. Chapter 2 would begin with verse 4.

    In Jewish discernment certain passages portray parallel truths about God that otherwise cannot, be understood. In Genesis [1: 3] “Then God said,” carries the same concept as “God willed” meaning all creation was intentional as planned and could not have happened by chance. In Genesis [1: 4] “That it was good” acknowledges the will of God was “fulfilled” in His creation. This phrase repeated five additional times in the creation story. In Genesis [1: 3] God said; “it was very good” means that He was pleased with His creation and that nothing was lacking or missing. This is important in understanding His absolute perfection and nothing left to chance.

    Man created as a separate creation, over animals, as an intellectual being, knowing right from wrong. Those who believe in evolution will have a difficult time explaining this. In the Hebrew, the word formed “vayyitzer” is written with two “yods;” therefore, man was created with a “Yetzer Tob and a Yetzer Ra” interpreted means capable of doing both good and evil having to do with one’s choice they make. What is interesting and worthy of note, unlike humankind, animals and creatures created, and their offspring have no moral discrimination or moral conflict. They have only one “yod.” This is why animals can prey on each other, or humankind without remorse or any guilt of conscience. Being undisputable true about animals makes the human race different, and for this reason, man is responsible for his actions and his accountability to God.

    It would humble those who think themselves wise to read Job chapters Thirty-Eight through Forty-One. Here God asks Job a series of questions that only a person who was present at the time of creation could answer. Job [38:2-6] “Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who Laid its cornerstone?” Only a creator God knows.

    The danger of evolution, as I see it, can lead a person astray where they miss interpret the word of God and accept a lie for the truth. In Matthew [7:23] illustrates this very well when Jesus said to those who had done some remarkable things listed in the preceding verse. “And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.” Some translations says; “the things you did were unauthorized.” In other words they ascribed to their own wisdom without God’s blessings.

  5. This is a follow-up in support of my original post.
    To oversimplify it, it seems to me there is a common theme among the “Nazarenes Exploring Evolution” writers in that they want a “balanced approach” between scripture – “faith and belief” – and science -“knowledge and understanding.” In other words, they want the Nazarene church to have and meld together both a Biblical Worldview and Man’s Worldview simultaneously.
    Charles Darwin, “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life,” 1859, on page 155: “To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I free confess, absurd in the highest degree.” On page 158: “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possible have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” As has been learned in our lifetimes from molecular biology, biochemistry and genetics, there are in fact tens of thousands of irreducibly complex systems on the cellular level unknown in Darwin’s time. Are these educated theologians and scientists really ignorant of and do not know by Darwin’s own criteria statements that his theory is “absolutely” debunked?
    Radiometric dating is based on radioactive decay. Geologists regularly use five parent isotopes to date rocks but no one knows 1) what isotope properties were present when the rocks were formed, 2) possible contamination, and 3) if the decay rate has been constant. Because of these unknowns, claimed ages are totally unreliable.
    Carbon-14 dating of things once alive is based on radiocarbon decay rate (half-life) that scientists have determined at 5,730 years, not millions of years that are based on these unprovable assumptions: 1) The production rate of carbon-14 has always been the same in the past as now, 2) The atmosphere has had the same carbon-14 concentration in the past as now, and 3) the biosphere has always had the same overall carbon-14 concentration as the atmosphere.
    What bothers me most is that we are being asked to accept flawed scientific evidence, ignore Darwin’s own criteria for his evolutionary theory’s fallibility, and develop and accept a sense of balance between faith – Biblical Worldview – and science, i.e., evolution – Man’s Worldview. It is a total enigma.
    Facts do not cease to exist because they’re ignored. – Aldous Huxley
    I have observed people who want their position to prevail provide only partial information and put an issue on an emotional basis to evade conflict with facts and truth. These well-educated people in high positions of influence deliberately conceal and withhold this crucial information that is contrary to their positions they are espousing. This earns respect for their “intellectual” positions? About as much respect as Jesus had for the positions held by the Pharisees when he called them vipers and hypocrites. I Corinthians 16:13 Keep alert, stand firm in your faith, be courageous, be strong.

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