A Storm Coming: The Church of the Nazarene’s Steps Toward Embracing Homosexuality

By Lige Jeter and Manny Silva

The Church of the Nazarene seems to be heading towards full acceptance of homosexuality. With its compromising at the university and seminary levels, as well as in local churches and districts, the evidence is there. The desire to “be relevant”, or the need for being viewed as “kind” and “tolerant” Christians, is too strong apparently for the leadership in the church today. Acceptance of homosexuality in the Church of the Nazarene is coming, and is just a matter of when, not if. Perhaps it will take another five or 10 years, or perhaps it will happen at the next General Assembly in 2017

The groundwork for this has been laid down for a long time. It can all be traced to the persistent and obsessive put-down of the belief of Holy Scripture as the inerrant and infallible word of God. Ask most leaders in the Nazarene church today, and they will tell you that they do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture. Some have been denied ordination for believing such a thing. That is how all the heresies have started, when “men of god” ask the same question that Satan asked in the Garden of Eden: “Hath God really said.” This is seen within the emergent church movement, which has been embraced by Nazarenes throughout the denomination. It is a movement that has total disdain for the Bible’s authority and inerrancy.

Just in the last seven years or so we have many examples of how the Church of the Nazarene is bringing the world into the church. We find that there is an attraction to the idea of “welcoming” or “affirming” the LGBT radicals who believe that homosexuality is not a sin. Nazarene leaders want to get along with everyone, and show their “love” and “compassion” towards homosexuals. The focus on “understanding” homosexuality (a sin) is far and above any focus on any other particular sin. It is an obsession, perhaps an attempt to be “relevant” as a church.

Just a few of many examples:

  • Recently, at Oklahoma City Church of the Nazarene in February (the senior pastor is Jon Middendorf), an event was hosted called “With All Due Respect: Hospitality & the LGBT Community.” The panel included a professor, Dr. Timothy Crutcher, from Southern Nazarene University; a mother of a homosexual child; a theology major who labeled herself as an intersex person; and Andy McGee, a Nazarene pastor and executive director of Love Wins: LGBT in Kansas City. The absurdity of all this can be seen when you read the article about this event. (http://www.gayly.com/love-wins-conservative-church-shows-respect-lgbt-community. This is an example of meaningless and endless talk about something that is clear as day in Scripture. When the LGBT community heaps praise on a Nazarene church for what they did, it cannot be good news for biblical Christians.
  • Adam Hamilton and Mike Slaughter are pastors in the United Methodist Church who believe that homosexuality and same sex marriage are okay. A few years ago, Hamilton proposed a radical change to the bylaws of the United Methodist Church. See a rebuttal to these two men by a concerned Methodist in this post: http://goodnewsmag.org/2014/06/an-open-letter-to-revs-adam-hamilton-and-michael-slaughter/

These men clearly promote a way of life which the Bible teaches is sinful, and are under fire in their own denomination for what they are advocating. Yet, at Nazarene Bible College, and at the Nazarene Theological Seminary as well, their material and videos are used in Bible classes for future pastors. Why does a holiness Bible college and the seminary allow the use of material by those who promote acceptance of homosexuality and same sex marriage?

  • An LGBT support group started at Eastern Nazarene College and approved by the college leadership.
  • A message preached to students at Eastern Nazarene College by the now former chaplain, Corey McPherson, in which he talked proudly of having worshiped together with the members at a “Christian” homosexual church. His message, which is transcripted on my blog, was a complete compromise to biblical Christianity, yet this message was apparently acceptable to the college president and other leaders in the church.
  • A radical LGBT group, SoulForce, was once again allowed to come onto the campus of Trevecca Nazarene University and “dialog” with administrators and students from the school. This was the second visit by this group to Trevecca, which is led by Dan Boone, who has also permitted a variety of unbiblical practices, such as contemplative mysticism, to continue at the school for years now.

Why is all this happening now?

A Storm Is Coming

(Lige Jeter)

As a lifelong Floridian, I am familiar with hurricanes, and know the basics on how to prepare for the danger it presents. Every resident that has lived in Florida for any length of time is familiar with what to expect. New residents who have never weathered a storm need to follow some simple common sense rules to avoid the obvious dangers connected with them. Each needs to assess their own situations in light of the forecast and act accordingly for the best interest of their family. Having prepared to survive (building upon the rock) increases your chances of survival. To do nothing (building upon the sand) guarantees failure.

Past experiences have taught those who forecast storms that certain atmospheric conditions, such as water temperature, prevailing winds, and landfall location, play a vital part in the likely destruction the threat represents to those in its path. As in any storm, promptly acknowledging its initial disturbance regardless how small is crucial. It is important to monitor its movement and its primary direction of travel. Monitoring future parameters surrounding the disturbance that contribute to it eventually becoming a hurricane is necessary. This same analogy applied to the Church facing an imminent Spiritual storm can protect its membership; or lack of can cause irreparable damage causing great loss.

There are several organized forces invading the Christian community. Groups like Soulforce, LGBT groups, and individuals such as Nazarene Ally have an unrelenting determination for acceptance, and to change the Church’s stand against homosexual and lesbian behavior including same sex marriage. They have won favor and support on about every front except the Church, as a whole, which appears to be their next big target to conquer. Even though the Church of the Nazarene recently made it clear on its Biblical standing regarding deviant behavior, it is not exempt from groups like these who are applying pressure targeting its leadership to change their position. Soulforce recently visited Trevecca Nazarene University for the second time, March 15, 2016. The article of their visit is found here: http://www.soulforce.org/#!Hollering-into-the-Well/cb7u/56e8721f0cf2bc133ba11645

An approach for social acceptance in the Church suggested by Nazarene Ally peddled under the banner, “We Can Do Better;” they play the numbers game, comparing the number of LGBT presumed in the world (2 – 4 percent) to the corresponding members inferred by definition in the COTN. By using the lower estimated percentile associated with the world, the COTN would have 48,000 LGBT members based upon 2.4 million memberships. This number could double by applying the higher estimated percentile of 4 percent. The intent of sequence was to weaken the perceived impact they would have on the Church if accepted. This small number would thereby reduce the threat of any implied compromise.

They hint that “A Perfect Storm” is about to take place suggesting a series of events could occur leading a pastor to perform a same sex marriage based upon a longtime childhood friendship. Using persuasive logic, they will go to any length to win support for their side. We are seeing this today in our ranks, the pressure is mounting to cave-in, but the Church cannot become a partner to this foolishness. The Church cannot afford to compromise its convictions or give in under any circumstance. The article is located here, Gay Nazarenes | Nazarene Ally

In 2Kings, God gives a warning not-to-be-taken lightly. The Church, as with any nation, if not careful can reach the moral point-of-no-return as warned in 2 Kings 19:3 “And they said to him, ‘Thus says Hezekiah: This day is a day of trouble, and rebuke, and blasphemy; for the children have come to birth, but there is no strength to bring them forth.” “For the children have come to the birth” represents the danger of perishing because the woman was so spent she had no strength to deliver the child.

Should our Church ever compromise its polity against wrongful behavior, we too will be as the woman and will have no strength or desire to deliver ourselves. The danger is the Church will become complacent in its new spiritual state and will not wish to return. Some Churches have already gone too far to turn back. For those who engage the LGBT lifestyle the Bible is clear to those who claim to be a Christian Homosexual or Christian Lesbian, or any other act of perversion is an oxymoron. Wicked men often think that which they suggest against revelation justify them in rejecting it.

Prepare for the storm in the next General Assembly 2017.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Links for Adam Hamilton:

 

In his own words:

 

http://www.umc.org/news-and-media/hamilton-church-homosexuality-law-needs-local-option

 

A critique of Adam Hamilton from a fellow Methodist:

http://goodnewsmag.org/2014/06/an-open-letter-to-revs-adam-hamilton-and-michael-slaughter/

 

 

Referenced material in course work at Nazarene Theological Seminary:

 

Course Name: Leading Strong, Healthy Churches
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/861040/21092126/1354038431230/A+-+PTH790+LeadingStrongHealthyChurches_Module_SP13_Busic.pdf?token=Jwzl1oZuXyY%2F5ysiutyM%2BWunriY%3D

 

Course Name: Christian Preaching

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/861040/19765461/1344436532093/A+-+PRH610ChristianPreaching_Block_FA12_Busic.pdf?token=CPHdriHfHHzauk51K0xL4nnHtos%3D

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61 responses to “A Storm Coming: The Church of the Nazarene’s Steps Toward Embracing Homosexuality

  1. Can you provide evidence to someone being denied ordination, because they believed in inerrancy of Scripture. You cannot just go and lightly make a claim like that without evidence. Leave the candidate’s name out, which you probably should anyway.

    Brian

    On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Reformed Nazarene wrote:

    > reformednazarene posted: “By Lige Jeter and Manny Silva The Church of the > Nazarene seems to be heading towards full acceptance of homosexuality. With > its compromising at the university and seminary levels, as well as in local > churches and districts, the evidence is there. The des” >

  2. I am a Nazarene Pastor’s daughter and have been a Nazarene for 55 years. I and 13 members of my family recently left the Nazarene church due to similar disagreements in their new theology. Our pastor resigned and our district superintendent placed an interim who was not ordained and did not even have a theology degree. She was a personal friend of his. Some of the things we heard from the pulpit included disrespect of the patriarch Moses by calling him a dude. I heard a police officer once reprimand someone they were arresting for calling him a dude instead of officer and told him he would not tolerate disrespect. She also preached that Jesus was the first feminist. In this country, feminism stands for many things that the Bible speaks against including abortion. I won’t continue on with examples, but these are just a couple of the many non-biblical statements we heard preached from our pulpit. When I approached our district superintendent with my concerns, I was told that this was the “trend” and that I needed to accept it. I will never compromise what the inerrant Word of God says. So I’ve left the denomination of my heritage. Thank you for confirming that I am not on the wrong track. I have appreciated your posts very much.

  3. Thank you for your faithfulness. In the end it is not any group or denomination we must be loyal to. It is to Jesus Christ first and foremost. God bless you and your family.

  4. So-called Christians use Leviticus and some teachings of Paul to condemn homosexuality, but have ignored other prohibitions in that book for centuries. Such cherry-picking of what to agree with and what to ignore is dishonest, especially when they claim every word of the Bible is directly from God.

  5. Lige and Manny have written a thoughtful essay about the looming threat against families and ministries in the Nazarene church that has already become commonplace in many mainline churches. They write:

    “The groundwork for this has been laid down for a long time. It can all be traced to the persistent and obsessive put-down of the belief of Holy Scripture as the inerrant and infallible word of God.”

    I think Manny and Lige have hit the bullseye amidst all the nuanced debates and not-so-quiet rancor about something the Bible still calls sin: homosexuality.

    In fact, the increasing national acceptance in many churches of everything from vile media entertainment,occult beliefs, sexual experimentation, dishonest business practices, corrupt politics and secular teachings comes back full-circle to what Manny and Lige have identified. How pastors, teachers and lay ministers view the Bible DOES make a difference in the life and health of the Nazarene church and ALL Christian churches.

    Manny recently directed me to an excellent book by Vic Reasoner entitled The Importance of Inerrancy: How Scriptural Authority has Eroded in Modern Wesleyan Theology (Evansville, Indiana: Fundamental Wesleyan Publishers, 2013).

    Readers of this blog should encourage their churches to study this little book, as it gives a concise defense of Biblical inerrancy in contrast to many authors who are critical of those Nazarenes who stand for the plenary inspiration of God’s word.

    The questioning of Biblical inerrancy did not begin with Adam Hamilton or Bart Ehrman. Although the work of these authors and their disciples has caused some people to “rethink” sin, evolution, salvation, heaven, hell and even the very existence of God.

    Reasoner points out that the battle over inerrancy in the Nazarene Church is decades old:

    “In 1979 Harold Lindsell warned that the Church of the Nazarene had been deeply infiltrated by an errancy view, which was believed and taught in most, if not all its educational institutions.” (Reasoner 2013: 43)

    Advocacy of sin and error is often the direct outcome of a worldview that depicts the Bible as merely a human or cultural product. If many thinkers today reject the divine origin of the Old and New Testaments, SERIOUS implications follow. Warnings against sin are turned into “cultural preferences.” Biblical passages about God’s action in history become interesting “myths” or “legends,” reduced to entertaining literature to be consumed at leisure by aesthetes. In other words, a modern view of God’s word undermines its authority in matters of morality, family life and spiritual direction.

    Reasoner understands what is at stake. He says, “If God’s Word is forever settled in heaven (Psalm 119:89), it serves no useful purpose to undermine its full authority here on earth” (2013: 77)

    His book challenges those who constantly claim the “Wesleyan” mantle to seriously consider John Wesley’s high regard for the authority of the Bible (2013: 65).

    Yes, Wesley believed God created the heavens and the earth. He believed in the deity of Jesus Christ and ONE way to salvation. Wesley preached a literal heaven and hell. He understood that Christians battled a real Enemy, and he did not advocate a “new” definition of marriage, even as he advocated loving all sinners with the love of the Savior.

    No, he was not unaware of secular “Enlightenment” critics in his era. They were all around him. Instead,Wesley waxed bold, declaring God’s inerrant truth, as the winds of scepticism blew across Europe.

    I agree with those like Vic, Manny and Lige who remind us that it is time for Nazarenes to reclaim and recover Wesley’s real legacy.

    References
    https://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/author/reformednazarene/

    Reasoner, Vic. The Importance of Inerrancy: How Scriptural Authority has Eroded in Modern Wesleyan Theology (Evansville, Indiana: Fundamental Wesleyan Publishers, 2013).

  6. Kat,

    Are you a Christian? Do you know what Scripture teaches? Do you believe in the authority of God’s word? If you, you have no argument with me, and should agree with me. But apparently you despise the Bible. But here is what Paul says in Romans chapter 1, v 16-32. You either reject it, or accept God’s word.

    The Just Live by Faith

    16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

    God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
    24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
    26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.”

  7. I am incredibly grateful for you and this blog. Thank you! My husband’s family are multi-generational Nazarenes, and it’s hard to see what’s happened in the denomination. I’ll be checking in, and praying for you.

  8. Thank you for the kind words, Lynn. In all that we do, we must do for God’s glory. I praise Him for giving me the small gifts I have in order to serve Him.
    God bless you and all your family. We must stand for God’s truth in these tough times.

  9. Arguing that Nazarenes don’t hold a high view of Scripture because they don’t ascribe to innerancy demonstrates a mis-understanding of Nazarene beliefs. The Church universal is a large place, many different expressions (denominations), but the CoTN is going to continue to express their view of Scripture as infallible and not as innerant.

  10. Hate the sin, love the sinner. The bible is very clear about sins of all kinds. Don’t get caught up in this sinful world and what it accepts as ok. God help us all if we do.

  11. Wow! The Church of the Nazarene does not believe in the speaking of tongues and I know of one Pastor forced to resign because “he had a prayer language “. I feel the Church of the Nazarene will have to answer for that stand they have taken.

  12. My upbringing was in the COTN in a parsonage family. In 1996 had my fill of denominationalism. I believe the Nazarenes lost their message of holiness many years ago, which is what distinguished them from every other run of the mill denomination. Not surprised at the direction to which they are migrating. It does make me heart sick when I think that my mother and father gave so much of their lives for their beloved denomination. Miss them terribly, but so thankful they are in Heaven and out of this old world.

  13. i am a 4th generation member of the COTN–rather, a former member…my great-grandfather was in attendance at pilot point and a charter member of the denomination…although i didn’t see much evidence of this false teaching during my years at trevecca in the mid to late 80s, i have been completely shocked by stories i’ve heard from several of my former classmates who now have children in nazarene schools…God is definitely giving His chosen a heightened sense of discernment in these last days…absolute, infallible truth is so obvious to me…it’s such an odd thing to see people i’ve known all my life in the church becoming so blinded…in my experience, there was always a sense of judgement hovering in the church during my childhood and youth…’grace’ was mentioned from the pulpit, and we sang songs about it–but very rarely did i ever see it in action…seems that the church has now gone to the opposite extreme as it has chosen to extend a perverted form of ‘grace’ by pandering to a group of sinners who want nothing more than to destroy the church in the search for validation…so unfortunate that church leadership is willing to ‘love’ them straight into hell–all in the name of becoming more palatable to modern culture…

  14. Do you realize that the CotN has consistently identified out belief in the inerrancy of scripture *only* with things pertaining to salvation? Thus, the Nazarene manual itself has long been participating in a “put down of the belief that a holy Scripture is the infallible and inerrant Word of God.”

    This raises two questions: 1- Why do you think one should be ordained in a denomination for believing what the denomination doesn’t believe about such a fundamental interpretive principle? 2- How could treating someone respectively be a bad thing?

  15. Thank you. My parents gave much of their lives also for the denomination. They have gone to be with the Lord, and never knew the details of what is happening now. I too a thankful they are in heaven.

  16. Donnie, please explain the difference then, between infallible and inerrant? I don’t have a lot of time to go into details, but the COTN stance on the Bible has been hijacked by the post-moderns, the emergents, and those who reject the literal meaning of Genesis and the actual existence of Adam and Eve. This is what has allowed the church to go from bad to worse in such a short time.

  17. I have been saved for 22 years and must now leave my Nazarene church … My pastor baptized two lesbians …. My tithe will not support that church until he is fired … GOD HELP US ONE AND ALL

  18. I will never believe that the entire Bible is not God’s inspired word. It says that men with men and women with women is a sin. I pray that our leaders will never turn from this truth. God help us as we live the Holy life that He requires.

  19. Anonymous,
    Without all the facts, I am not sure why your pastor baptized the two lesbians, unless they professed a Christian. I personally would have wanted proof by example they were truly redeemed and no longer living together in that way of life. In Romans Chapter 1:24 – 28, Paul gives us am insight of the satanic hold Satan has on those that take up this alternate lifestyle. They change the truth of God into a lie giving themselves over in worship and service to the creature more than the Creator. In other words, what should be God’s in worship and service is now given to Satan. Paul points out the depth of sin that this particular sin will take them to a point they will not like to retain God in their knowledge and God will give them over to a reprobate mind. This is the only sin to my knowledge that causes one not to wish to retain any knowledge of God.

    A false profession of one being a “Christian” homosexual or lesbian who remain in that lifestyle should not deceive the Church or pastor. Their false profession to being a Christian reinforces they no longer retain God in their knowledge and have replaced the truth of their sin with a lie of false redemption being deceived by the devil. What the Church must consider is the power this particular sin has and the hold it possesses upon this lifestyle. Paul alludes to this when he wrote in verse 27 they burned in their lust one toward another. If I may be blunt, in other words the desire for their same sex partner is stronger than any desire one would have in a heterosexual relationship. To compromise Biblical truth is not the answer to the problem.

  20. So much negativity against one religion. A little judgmental, don’t you think? I grew up Baptist and joined a Nazare Church a few years ago. I never accepted homosexuality as a Baptist. Since going to the Nazarene church, our pastor has taught us to love the sinner. It doesn’t mean we agree with their lifestyle. It just means we don’t judge. We All sin daily. Remember in God’s eyes ALL sin is created equal. Only in human eyes for we judge what sin is worse.

  21. I still don’t get the problem with dialogues with homosexuals. When did Jesus ever refuse to speak to sinners? I’ll wait for a response of when he did that. Not reasons why this is different.

  22. I have been in the Nazarene Church since my birth 71 years ago. MY BIBLE states that homosexuality is a SIN. To change the Bible is a SIN. For those of the Nazarene Denomination that are changing they are becoming ‘of the world’ and not standing up for the Holy Word. May God have mercy on them and may they go back to God/Jesus before they pass into eternity.

  23. Jesus spent time with the worst of sinners, and we should do the same–but he always ended his interaction with 4 words, ‘go and sin no more’…the church of the nazarene seems to be headed down an ill-advised path of doing the exact opposite by encouraging sexual sinners to continue in the lifestyle and celebrate who God made them to be…unfortunately, it’s not God who made them gay–rather it’s a manifestation of original sin in a fallen world…

  24. We must be very cautious that our conversations with people engaged in sin contains the FULL gospel and not only speaks of God’s love but also of God’s wrath. We are teaching and preaching a “different” gospel these days that neglects the need for repentance. We hear so much about the God of love and His willingness to forgive – and little to nothing about the wrath and eternal hellfire that awaits those who continue to live sin. Our permissive society needs preachers who are not afraid to speak truth and preach that the Word is the inerrant, incorruptible, infallible Word of the living God. Lord, give us preachers who are not afraid to preach the FULL gospel and call sin what it is: an abomination.

  25. I think that language needs to be defined here. What is your response to the Report of the Scripture Study Committee of the 28th GA?

  26. I cannot tell you how much this breaks my heart for the denomination I was raised in. How can so many learned folks allow the enemy to deceive them?? God’s Word is inspired and true, every word!!

  27. The ‘dumbing down’ of those that are being ordained by the COTN has been difficult to be around. Even many of the ‘educated’ pastors are unaware of things as simple as the Bible stories of the OT. My father and three of my uncles were ordained elders in the COTN, and they were all well educated and all knew scripture as well as theology. The social pressures of the world were not their great concern, preaching the gospel was their concern. What God calls an abomination is an abomination. There is no ground for argument. Either the Bible is the Word of God or it isn’t. If the Bible is not the infallible and inerrant Word of God, all our beliefs are a sham. Christ did not do away with the Word, He was and is the Word, the whole Word; and He is the same today as He was in the beginning. We can trust and worship the Creator!

  28. You know, love is a tough thing. It is persistent, absolute, love is undefiled. It is written, “Drive out the mocker, and out goes strife; quarrels and insults are ended.” Love hates what is evil. Love is what God says it is. He defines it and the institutions He declares right to reflect his intent. Marriage is between a man and a woman, alternates are counterfeit. It is also written, Do not move an ancient boundary stone set up by your forefathers.

  29. Portions taken from Chapter 12 Redemption “Bread of Tears”
    Beware of “False Teachings” of those who would offer you the easy way out that requires nothing on your part. Could it be that many church leaders are in the pastorate today as a vocation, and do not qualify as the spiritual leader chosen by God? Are they serving by “election” (God selected them) or by “self-will” (they chose themselves). This may account for their apathy concerning their beliefs about morality. Jesus warns His disciples about false teachers. Our Lord describes those leaders in His generation as serving God only to pull the wool over someone’s eyes. They loved to be highly thought of by men enjoying recognition as men of God. Jesus charged them with blocking the truth from others, thus keeping them from entering in.

    Perhaps this accounts for divisions in many churches today and explains why some churches are permissive when it comes to morality? Some churches no longer distinguish a sinner from a believer. They no longer teach Jesus as the only way but rather a way indicating there are numerous ways to heaven. They use the “homogeneous approach” blending both sinners and saints together using phrases such as, we are all sinners, or we all sin every day, establishing no separation with those redeemed. Churches that fit this category do a disservice to all whom believed saved, putting future seekers of spiritual guidance in danger of judgment.

    They circumvent the word of God pretending to be religious and accept only the parts that pleases them. The rest they ignore or discount as a myth or fable especially the truth pertaining to God’s judgments upon such immoral behavior. In Matthew 23, Jesus describes them as setting out to win one proselyte, and when he is won, “you make him twice as much a son of hell.” It is dangerous to play god no matter who you are. There is the price of repentance to be paid. The non-repentant will go to hell in the end.

    For any religious leader either to condone or defend any abominable sin such as, (abortion, homosexual behavior ‘either sex’, or take part in performing same sex marriages, etc.), are hypocrites. In reality, they are saying they are more loving and merciful than God is, even though the Creator condemns these sinful acts. I caution those who knowingly follow their example, avoid them at all cost.

  30. Just wondering how many of you have “put asunder what God hath joined together”? Seems divorce and unmarried cohabitation between opposite sex partners are getting a free pass here. Our churches should be full of sinners seeking forgiveness who are hungry for truth. Where else can they go for TRUTH? So please invite them in with whatever their sin “that so easily besets them” happens to be. If our churches are so sterile that the “dirty” can’t enter then we are the guilty ones deserving judgment. Oh yes, and maybe gluttony has a free pass also! I can say that because I’m a Pastors wife and im obese!

  31. In your categories section, you could begin to post the weekly columns written by Dr. Everett Piper (President of Oklahoma Wesleyan University). A conservative voice grounded firmly in scriptural truth.

    If you choose not to add him to your categories section. I’d encourage everyone to research his writings. He’s solid.

  32. In regards to the SoulForce ‘allowed’ to come to Trevecca’s campus, you may want to get your facts straight before you report on it. You lack many details.

  33. We have a new pastor, and so far he seems good. BUT what I so far am NOT hearing much preached is the person and work of Jesus Christ.

    We’re being patient, giving it some time. But if what we hear the most is church growth tactics, or therapeutic deism, or psychology we will regretfully have to find an “elsewhere” to worship.

  34. Keep telling the truth of God’s Word. If we are saved, filled with God’s Holy Spirit, we can not accept these things of the world. You are a new creature and Christ living in us can and will not be able to do this or accept this kind of lifestyle. Betty

  35. I am angry. I see our church being led by an ordained elder who claims he is not an emergent pastor, but all actions indicate that he is. How does one pray when even board members are being deceived? The church is definitely divided.

  36. I used to be a homosexual and I used to dabble in the occult until I became a born again Christian. A good majority of the churches in my area are apostate, and it is littered across many denominations. It’s funny that I came across this article when I just had a talk with one of the local pastors at a Nazarene Church in Somerset Kentucky. I initially went to the church for worship services and hopefully to try to find a church that was biblically based. I had a long talk with the pastor and we discussed theology and I told him about the lifestyle I used to live and I asked him if I could give a testimony before the service began and he wouldn’t let me. The only reason I can think of why he would not let me is because I might offend some of the parishioners who are LGBT. The acceptance has already begun.

  37. Just wanted to let you know that when we addressed this issue in my Ethics class at NTS and had to do scenarios of what we would do. 3 out of 4 groups of students affirmed the traditional view of marriage and denied the person in the scenario a recommendation for ordination, and offered very strong recommendations for further mentoring and counseling on the matter, and we critiqued them for their misuse of Scripture in trying to justify living a homosexual lifestyle. Additionally, the group who would ok the person faced severe backlash from the rest of the class and caution from the professor. Everyone in this class was Nazarene, with the exception of a couple, and all held ministerial credentials or had been ordained prior to starting seminary. Additionally, the seminary and the faculty are in full accord with the Church’s statement regarding sexuality and prohibiting same-sex marriage or the ordination and credentialing of such individuals.

  38. Hello, thank you for your posts. I recently started attending a Naz church and was asked to help in the youth department. It has been a wonderful experience. The Pastor has an incredible philosophy for ministry. I felt strongly that God was calling me back into ministry. It has been a real blessing for my family and I.

    However, I found it odd that the education board is requiring me to complete so much schooling; despite having 10 years in full time ministry, ministerial degree from an accredited holiness Bible college, masters in religious education, and currently being a teacher at a Christian school. I found it more odd while going through the handbook that they would not take a clear stand on creationism. Their statements on the inherency of Scripture seemed a little shaky. Just a whole lot of red flags that really took me off guard knowing the Nazarene Denomination are founded in the holiness movement.

    Now, after reading your many articles on where they are going I am not sure how to proceed. What advice would you give someone like me? Thank you for your time and help with this.

  39. The OKC Nazarene church that held the forum mentioned in the article recently dedicated the baby of a married lesbian couple after the board met and made the decision to do so. While I don’t have a dog in this race, as an former Nazarene, I do recognize the beginning of the end.

  40. I read your articles with great interest, I am a Nazarene from outside the United States, but with the same concerns.

    I am praying for that coming storm, that Jesus stands in the midst of our congregation and says, “Be still, mute.”

  41. Hello,

    I read your articles with great interest, I am a Nazarene from outside the United States, but with the same concerns.

    I am praying for that coming storm (Nazarene Ally), that Jesus stands in the midst of our congregation and says, “Be still, mute.”

  42. If you eat shrimp and don’t execute adulterers or kids who talk back to their parents, then why do you pick out a verse in the middle of a bunch of rules you don’t follow and say “well, homosexuality is in the Bible”. It’s not. The word has barely existed for 100 years. Learn about Bible ttranslation. Secondly, you have zero credibility unless you follow every other rule in Leviticus. I knew I was homosexual at age 8 and fought it most of my life. The Church failed me in my life by scaring me and making me miserable. I am now a happy gay Christian. Worry about yourself first.

  43. Yes. Sad facts in this blog post, but true.

    Stigmatizing any sin, including, and especially homosexuality, is a necessary societal boundary. Words alone, most times, are not enough to steer the unwary, the unsuspecting person away from the sublime dangers of sinful enticement. Sometimes it takes societal pressure.

    Behavior, especially of s sexual nature, releases powerful, seductive and highly addictive ‘brain drugs’ such as endorphins, dopamine and adrenaline.

    When sex is experienced at a young age, especially under stress or the result of abuse or trauma, the release of these brain drugs can act both to induce pleasure and relief.

    Just as a person will over eat or over consume alcohol or other drugs to deal with stress or to quell the fires of addiction, so it is with sexual sin.

    Homosexuality is an induced behavior and is very complicated to understand. This seductive trap of Satanic deception controls and mystifies its victims so thoroughly that they cannot imagine they were every any thing but homosexual.

    When a denomination or a church, in the name of Jesus, removes the barriers or barricades to sinful thought or behavior, the storms of hell are released on people, in their full fury.

    Once a person has become vulnerable and trusting and hears a church declare that any sin is an understandable consequence of human nature and that “God love you too much to love you any less” so just BE what god made you to be, the road to a personal hell is now paved.

    So, TO ALL WHO HAVE COME TO TRUST IN YOUR CHURCH, BEWARE: “Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field…”

    “Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”

    “But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
    For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.
    But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
    Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
    idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
    envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you,

    just as I have forewarned you,

    that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

    AND, TO YOU, ALL OF YOU who speak in the name of Jesus or from any platform in any Church which professes to speak in the Name of Jesus of from the Word of God:

    Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

    I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

  44. truth my friend…my wife speaks for women’s retreats and groups on the topic of sex from a biblical perspective…a portion of what she speaks about is the physiological responses of the body to the sexual experience…a casual attitude toward sex resulting in promiscuity dulls those responses to the point that pharmaceutical has found an income stream in the development of synthetic drugs to replace/simulate what should be a natural response…endorphins, dopamine, etc are all available in pill form now…not God’s plan…

  45. This saddens me and when we saw these changes a few years ago we left for a New Testament church where the scriptures were preached.

  46. I am a third generation Nazarene. I have been a Nazarene most of my life. I was a pastor and evangelist in the COTN for 47 years. I am now ministering in Africa in the COTN. In attending, camp meetings, revivals, district assemblies and general assemblies I have never heard any message but that of grace that delivers from all sin and sanctifying power that cleanses the sin nature and fills with the Holy Spirit. We as Nazarenes do not believe and teach what is being stated here. You can not select things you do not agree with and vilify an entire denomination. Yes I pray for revival in our churches but attacking and stating things as truth is not an answer but a contribution to the problem. We will continue to proclaim the infallible Word of God and It’s inerrancy. We will not be destroyed by a few who have left the ranks for something else. Thank God He has never and will never fail.

  47. Anonymous; You state the word homosexuality is not found in the Bible and the word has barely existed for 100 years, followed.by your challenge “Learn about Bible translation.” If I understand, the term homosexuality is a broad term defining those attracted to the same sex with the intent for sexual relations with someone of the same sex. For your information, the term homosexual, describes the individual, and does appear in some translations. 1 Corinthians [6: 9] and 1 Timothy [1: 10]. The term homosexual is in one or both Scriptures in the KJV, NKJV, MKJV, WEB, and the ESV.

    Although I respect your position your closing statement is disturbing. “The Church failed me in my life by scaring me and making me miserable. I am now a happy gay Christian. Worry about yourself first.” In contrast, I believe the church fails its parishioners when it fails to preach the truth as evidence witnessed today. The danger of being happy in our sin it blocks the truth from our minds thus continuing to believe a lie and eventually dammed for it. I am personally glad my sins made me miserable before repenting, Christ’s forgiveness brought peace.

  48. Well I would need to see the outcome of some of these dialogues before deciding if they were appropriate or not. We used Dr. Boone’s charitable discourse material a few years ago and it dealt with homosexuality. As I recall the position was that engaging in same-sex sexual activity was a sin in all circumstances and should always be avoided through the empowering grace of Jesus. Being conscience of same-sex attraction was not a sin and those that experience should seek grace not to act on that attraction. Just as a heterosexual unmarried person would be conscience of attraction to someone of the opposite sex, yet not be guilty of sin unless they took steps to consumate that attraction outside of marriage. That is a Biblical position and as long as we remain there seems like it should be ok.

  49. What if a Nazarene pastor consecrates same sex marriages in the Church of the Nazarene, and accepts practicing homosexuals as members? What if a district or group of Nazarene churches rejected the official Nazarene view on homosexuality? What should be done?

  50. I don’t see the general church ever changing it’s stance on this issue. But I’m in the Midwest that’s conservative on this issue. I’ve been district licensed since 2001. Ordained since 2014. NTS grad. I’ve personally studied under Dan Boone, heard him preach all the way through my tenure at Olivet Naz Univ, heard his messages and books, etc. so don’t throw him under the bus, please. My senior pastor is a delegate to General Assembly ever time, and there is no discussion on this issue at the general level. Using the above illustrations here is a stretch to make broad assumptions for the general church and the general superintendents. I see what some pastors are trying to do as loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us. Jesus let his enemies crucify him. I have a homosexual brother and trans-gendered father, both not attending church, since their coming out of the closet, because the church only condemns instead of loving them out of their sin. So I applaud what these church leaders are doing that you are condemning. I think you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill.
    Best wishes.

  51. In that first scenario that pastor’s district superintendent should meet with them, seek to lead them to repentance and correcting those sins as far as possible. If that pastor refused they would need to be removed from that church and credentials revoked. In the second scenario the general superintendents would need to meet with that district and the leaders refusing Nazarene doctrine. They would seek to correct the heresy and if not possible assume authority over that district so those members that were not in heresy could remain and those that were heretical could be removed.

  52. Nate, if that were the case (making a mountain out of a molehill) I will be the first to apologize. However, I have much more evidence that will come out soon- that will clearly show that this is more serious that has been shown so far. I believe it will bring a real crisis situation to the Church of the Nazarene.

  53. Thanks James. I pray that if any such scenario comes to light, which I believe will happen this year, these proper steps will be taken as you outlined.

  54. Nate: I do not think that Manny or I are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill as you suggested. There is evidence there are organizations like SoulForce and Nazarene Ally whose goal is to seek social acceptance within the church and the acceptance of their lifestyle as if nothing is wrong or sinful about their conduct. In contrast to warning about those who would destroy the church, you quote: “I see what some pastors are trying to do as loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us. Jesus let his enemies crucify him.” Let us examine this statement and see if we can come to an agreement on what it means to love our enemies.

    To put what Jesus was saying found in Matthew [5:44] “But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,” There are two kinds of love indicated in “love your enemies.” Both involve the same strong emotion and general feeling of goodwill to all humankind. One approves of the conduct of another often called the love of complacency. The other is we wish well to another although we cannot approve his or her conduct nor can we sanction or take part. This is the love of benevolence and is the kind of love we show our enemies. I do not believe Jesus ever meant for us to excuse the conduct of those who violates God’s moral principles though we wish them no wrong. If we embrace sin as if no sin were committed, we make that person twice fold more a child of hell and in time endanger our own soul.

    I am sorry you feel the church has abandoned your family. This is a hard thing, but have you thought it may be the other way around.

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