Saved, Sanctified, Sacramental Nazarene Pastors: Hypocrites In Their Own Words

“Your own mouth condemns you, not mine; your own lips testify against you.” Job 15:6

Everyone who is in a battle for the truth and dealing with corrupt shepherds and false pastors, will get the same treatment. It is what they do best, because they have abandoned the truth. It does not matter whether you are a “nobody”, or a pastor, or a college president. They will try to take you down and make you out to be a hater, or a fool, or un-Christ like if you don’t go along with their false doctrines. And the response to these people is to just keep exposing the “unfruitful works of darkness…and reprove them. Don’t back down from them. Jesus did not back down. Paul did not back down. Neither should we.”

(The comments that I am pointing out today by certain pastors are nothing new to me. They have been directed at me and others for years, and we are used to it. If I wrote an article for every time such comments surfaced in public, it would be pointless and distracting from my ministry to do so. Once in a while, however, I believe it is necessary to call out those in responsible positions (pastors especially) who speak in ways that are outside of what God expects from pastors).

If a pastor were to attack someone’s theology and doctrine, I would have very little problem in dealing with a fair argument and disagreement. But when they attack the person rather than the positions of that person, then they need to be exposed for their behavior. If you are a pastor, you especially need to take ownership for your public pronouncements. If any of these pastors are embarrassed from what I show you today, they have no one to blame but themselves. Matthew 18 does not apply in such situations, since they have already pronounced their judgments publicly.

Sacramental Nazarenes is a liberal-leaning Nazarene FaceBook group. I believe there is something very wrong with some of the pastors in this group. These are the kind of pastors that are unlike those I have known, such as my father and father-in-law. In all my life, I never heard those two men speak in such ways as these pastors do. I believe that these folks need the Holy Spirit to touch them at the core of their soul. I feel sorry for them, especially since they seem to believe they can hurt me by throwing insults my way. These people are living sad lives when they focus so much on me, because it is all so much more than about me.  It is about false doctrines in the church and the wolves that have crept into the church! Yet, they continue with this bizarre and obsessive focus on me. Perhaps it is a way of assuaging their guilt in some way.

Sacramental Nazarene Admins And Their View of Homosexuality

Before we go on to what they wrote, look at part of Sacramental Nazarene’s basic statement:

“What this group is NOT…a place to: debate divisive topics like politics or homosexuality; criticize, label, judge, rant or condescend(Group admins reserve the right to delete posts they deem inappropriate.)”

Isn’t it odd that a sin such as homosexuality would even need to be seriously debated? But on the other hand, why would debating about any kind of sinful sexual behavior be considered divisive? Do they also consider other sexual sins such as adultery, or lust, or pornography, or fornication, or incest, as also being divisive topics and unworthy of “debate?”
Is homosexuality a special thing that has special meaning to them? Do some of these pastors even believe homosexuality is a sin? How many of these pastors would clearly and without ambiguity declare that homosexuality is a sin? Think about how these folks might view homosexuality in the light of this position statement. I do not believe it should be taken lightly. I believe it is part of their makeup, part of their leanings towards acceptance and “affirmation.” This is very dangerous in my opinion, and any statement such as “we are in alignment with the ‘polity’ and manual of the Church of the Nazarene” should never be taken as the final answer.

Oh the irony and hypocrisy of it all, as apparently the rants, the judging, the condescension directed at me is okay with the admins of this group.

Sacramental Nazarene Pastors And Their Behavior

The discussion was started by an ordained Nazarene pastor, Greg Farra. He is a member of NazNet, a Nazarene group that is dominated by emergent church and liberal types who promote non-Christian ideology. Here is what he said, after apparently going through my blog with a fine-tooth comb searching for an “indicting” statement, and then predictably putting his own spin to it (“refused to admit it publicly”).

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Note the “seriousness” of ordained pastor Greg Farra, who I am sure would have no problem with prayer labyrinths or praying the rosary. He, like most of these Sacramental Nazarenes, is highly interested in Roman Catholic ways, with formal rituals and procedures, with wearing collars that imitate Catholic priests. He and his friends seem far less concerned with true Christianity, biblical doctrine, and holiness. He is more concerned with ecumenicalism and compromise with the world. My opposition to ecumenicalism is only one of the reasons that he tries to use me as a punching bag. What a waste of his time.

But more seriously, Greg Farra believes in the Roman Catholic heresy of transubstantiation- the belief that the bread and wine of communion actually does become the real body and blood of Christ. This is heresy being introduced by a Nazarene pastor! And they call me crazy and not a true Nazarene?   I wonder what the General Superintendents think of this? What does his District Superintendent think of this?

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Bob Hunter

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Bob Hunter is interesting. He has gone after me for years and said many nasty things about me, mostly on NazNet discussions until I was cast out for doing far less than most of these guys say. I don’t know what his status is today, but I believe in the past he was an ordained Nazarene pastor. I could be wrong. Nevertheless, please pray for Bob.

Greg Farra’s Way Of Handlng All Matters

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Greg’s seemingly cavaliar attitude towards the principle of “defending the faith” speaks loudly when he talks about the ELCA. After his previous derogatory words, pastor Greg says that he wants to “approach all matters in love first and foremost.”   But then…

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It did not take long for Greg Farra to forget his determination to “approach all matters in love first and foremost.”   That is called hypocrisy. This is what they always do. They speak from one side of the mouth and do something different soon after. “Clouds without water… fruitless trees… wild waves of the sea.”

David Troxler

David Troxler is a pastor in the New England District. I assume David claims to be a saved, sanctified Nazarene. Here then are the judgmental words of a saved, sanctified Nazarene as he talks about me:

“so against joy”, “bitter spirit of judgmentalism”, “personal crusade against all things of the Spirit”, “he is to be pitied for his condition”.

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Note to David: My wife, my pastor, my few close Christian friends who know me pretty well, would certainly have taken me aside and lovingly spoken to me in the hopes of helping me. But you obviously think otherwise. You judge me like that, rather than refuting the actual specific claims that I always make. You cannot do that because you have no biblical argument, so you resort to ugly, personal attacks. Tell me, if a Christian from your church were to express their concerns like I do, would you treat them the same way? I will pray for you too.

Bob Hunter’s Psychoanalysis

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And then Bob Hunter chimes in with the usual phoney psychological analysis he has been doing for years on me. I wonder if he can be charged with practicing without a license?  Several years ago, Bob expressed the desire to come to my house with his dog so his dog could do something on my front lawn. This was also said publicly, although it was one of the milder things he has said about me.

Gary Creely Thinks I Want To Make Nazarenes Into Something Else

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Note to Gary: A diversionary tactic by Rev. Gary Creely, used by many of his friends. I know exactly what it is that the Church of the Nazarene has traditionally believed, until folks like you came along. And no Gary, I am not, nor ever have tried to change any denomination to something else. What I have tried to do for over eight years is to simply warn as many Nazarenes as possible about pastors like you, who are dedicated to changing the Nazarene denomination into more of a resemblance of Roman Catholicism, than the holiness denomination it claims it is. Bad, bad analysis Gary, especially since you have been reading my blog for so many years. You ought to know by now what purpose God has called me for, and it is to expose the false teachings and you and your friends have been promoting for years.

David Troxler Insults My Father:

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So David Troxler, as others have done lately, manages to insult the late Rev. Ilidio Silva. David was not satisfied to stop with insulting me.

David, if you are reading this, you obviously have no idea who my father was. If you did, you would know that he was the epitome of what it means to be a Nazarene, and he would have no trouble with what I am doing. Did you know that he was a Roman Catholic as a young man when he was saved from that evil religion; the same religion that so many, including you David, are making excuses for and holding hands with? He would never have accepted this compromise that you and so many New Englanders are involved with now. He was a true Nazarene, saved and sanctified, who would pray for hours early in the mornings for folks like you who have deviated from the true path of holiness teaching. Your words illustrate the pettiness so many of you show towards anyone who is against your liberal emergent church agenda. David, you need to repent, and ask God to clean your heart, and to put a right spirit within yo

Cam Pence Makes The Same Argument As Greg Farra

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Cam Pence is also an ordained Nazarene pastor, and a longtime NazNetter. He also, in spite of being familiar with my writings, is delusioned by some idea that I want to turn the Nazarene church into fundamental Baptists- although I have no problem with Baptists. But he totally does not yet understand what I am doing, and why. Either that, or he is simply being disingenuous and does not want to admit what the battle is really all about in the Nazarene denomination.

One Reasonable Voice

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I may be getting this last pastor in trouble, since I am commending him. But I must be fair about all this.

So there is Rich Schmidt. He is the only one from the “opposition” who spoke with a reasoned voice in all this. I don’t believe that in all my years at NazNet that he ever personally insulted me. I do believe he understands what the battle really is, and even though he disagrees with me on most of the issues, he did not step into the gutter as most of these pastors did. I respect that very much, and I believe Rich saw some of the comments for what they were, and tried to encourage some semblance of civility and fairness into their conversation. He did not speak out to agree with my views, but only to express a saner viewpoint that was a counterbalance to these hypocritical pastors and their very personal attacks.

The Conclusion: IT’S NOT ABOUT ME!!

The behavior of these hypocritical pastors illustrates that it is far from being about me. Not at all. We have seen in recent months the vicious attacks by Nazarene pastors and even some Nazarene leaders on Dr. Everett Piper, president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University. Dr. Piper is a voice of reason, a man of integrity, a truth teller. He is not one who seeks to “please men.” As Paul eloquently says in Galatians 1:10, so too Dr. Piper “would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men.” Yet, we have seen Love Wins:LGBT and their leadership blatantly telling lies about him, and not being held accountable for those lies.

We have seen Rev. Jeff Allen being excoriated by them, also being accused of telling lies. One pastor even recommended bringing charges against him, for telling the truth! We saw eight years ago how Pastor Joe Staniforth was driven out of the denomination, for speaking out against the heresies of the emergent church. We have heard of Jason Bjerke, being told by the New England District bigshots that he would not likely be ordained because he believed in the inerrancy of scripture. It is evident to me that they want the truth tellers and biblical pastors out of the church, and the heretics to be welcomed!

Folks, make no mistake, we are in a battle with evil within the church. Satan is using many pastors now to promote not only ecumenicalism, and contemplative spirituality, but now the LGBT homosexuality agenda. In fact, you really need to ask your own pastors to give you straight answers about their views on homosexuality. Their answer may not end up clarifying anything for you. Satan is using these people to try to shut up folks like me, but also to shut up pastors of integrity and honesty who do not wish to see the Church of the Nazarene go the way of an apostate denomination. Do NOT let them silence you!

Dr. Walter Martin was right a few years ago, when he said:

“the danger to the church, from within, is the person who wears the cloth of Christ… and who stands behind the sacred desk, and who is unfaithful to the word of God. That is the ultimate danger to the church. The corrupt and apostate shepherds who infest our theological seminaries and our colleges, and fill our pulpits… and who know not God, do not believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and will stand in the way of anybody that wants to preach it!   The cancer is within, and it eats away, and we don’t recognize it.  Or when we do recognize it, we don’t do anything about it. We are so careful to preserve the wolves in the church, and so slow to defend the faith of the church!”

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6 responses to “Saved, Sanctified, Sacramental Nazarene Pastors: Hypocrites In Their Own Words

  1. Wow…this scares me more than any of your other posts. My husband and I recently put our son in a Catholic school he was 11 at the time (now 13), he even knows what is,wrong and what is right..and when he is not sure he asks us. We are not members of the Nazarene denomination but have attended a local congregation for 17 yrs. I was raised in the Church of God ( Cleveland and Mountain Assemblies..they have other issues)…while I realize there is no perfect church,I am beginning to believe our choices are becoming smaller. I pray for our pastor every day..and will continue to do so.

  2. Manny, this only underscores the depth to which the denomination has sunk. I would guess that none of them has ever been close to being in the holiness movement as long as you and I and many others. They demonstrate one thing to me, that it really is dead as far as this denomination goes.

  3. Manny, it makes me sad to read the mocking & hurtful comments that some pastors have written about you. The ad hominem attacks are disappointing coming from “shepherds of the flock”. I was encouraged to see one pastor speak out with the voice of fairness & kindness in spite of his lack of agreement with all your positions & in spite of possible repercussion. It’s one thing to disagree with one’s position & to debate that position & it’s quite another to attack that person in a
    schoolyard-bullying manner. Very unbecoming of a church leader.

    I Timothy 3:1-6 (NLT)

    3 This is a trustworthy saying: “If someone aspires to be a church leader, he desires an honorable position.” 2 So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife. He must exercise self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy having guests in his home, and he must be able to teach. 3 He must not be a heavy drinker or be violent. He must be gentle, not quarrelsome, and not love money. 4 He must manage his own family well, having children who respect and obey him. 5 For if a man cannot manage his own household, how can he take care of God’s church?

    6 A church leader must not be a new believer, because he might become proud, and the devil would cause him to fall. 7 Also, people outside the church must speak well of him so that he will not be disgraced and fall into the devil’s trap.

  4. This just solidifies what will happen in the not to distant future. Even though these behaviors shock us, it should not. Sometimes I feel like we are casting our pearls before swine and wasting time with these people. The Scriptures foretold this would happen. People will reject sound doctrine and embrace that which is false.

    Luke 21:12‭-‬17 WEB- But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you up to synagogues and prisons, bringing you before kings and governors for my name’s sake. It will turn out as a testimony for you. Settle it therefore in your hearts not to meditate beforehand how to answer, for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to withstand or to contradict. You will be handed over even by parents, brothers, relatives, and friends. They will cause some of you to be put to death. You will be hated by all men for my name’s sake.

  5. Since you have not allowed my posts in the past concerning Trinitarian heresy, it would amaze me if you would now. For one, you are not representing Nazarene practice. You do not believe in women’s ordination. It has been a part of who we are for our existence. And yes, I have called you out, because you have refused to answer questions or account for Trinitarian heresy on your own blog. And where in the world did you get the idea that I am in favor of transubstantiation? I posted a meme and quote from an Orthodox website for discussion. I have never said I believe in transubstantiation because I don’t. You are making an assumption that is not true. And as far wearing a clerical collar, did you know it was invented by a Presbyterian? I am thoroughly Wesleyan in my theology. If I had to leave the COTN, it would not be Roman or Orthodox. Your problem is you refuse to take into account that no one is really ‘Bible only’. The early church wasn’t, because there was no New Testament. Scripture is our prime source and we are informed by tradition, experience and reason. That is our Nazarene heritage, and I stand by it. I can do no other.

  6. Quite a discussion I see there, Greg. Let’s see:

    The first person said…”goooood.” Then here is the rest. No comments from you by the way, including any statement that you do not believe in it. I cannot take you seriously here. You guys are all about Roman Catholicism, you embrace it, you believe they are your brothers and sisters in Christ in spite of their false doctrines. You can’t fool all of us. You need to leave the Nazarene denomination, because you would feel more comfortable as a Catholic.

    And please, stop being so obsessed with me. IT’S NOT ABOUT ME!

    Sean Matthew Dodd Goooooood

    Tad Newberry
    Tad Newberry If this aligns with official Nazarene theology, I’m surprised. Most Naz pastors I’ve heard misquote the Lord, the church, and Holy Scriptures when they say, ‘symbolizes’ and/or ‘represents’ during their monthly communion offerings. And anecdotally, ask your average parishioner their beliefs on the above and you would probably hear the same. I do believe it’s high time we get back to basic and traditional Christian teaching on these and other matters. People will continue to starve if we don’t.

    Eric E Frey
    Eric E Frey Yeah, but Justyn was a Roman Catholic

    Sean Matthew Dodd
    Sean Matthew Dodd Little know fact. He was actually Southern Baptist.

    Phil J Patalano
    Phil J Patalano Would Justin Martyr be considered a “Jerusalem Catholic” instead of a “Roman Catholic” since Samaria would probably have part for the See belonging to the Jerusalem Patriarch 😉

    Andy Breeden
    Andy Breeden Pre-schism means the Orthodox get to claim him, too. Everyone tries to take our saints and give them to the papists! 😁

    Eric E Frey
    Eric E Frey I forgot to use the sarcasm font. Sorry!

    Tad Newberry
    Tad Newberry whew ^^^

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