HELP FOR SOUTH FLORIDA DISTRICT IN FORT MYERS, FLORIDA

The South Florida District of the Church of the Nazarene needs help. My friend Mike Shinn is the pastor at Lehigh Acres Church, and has been director of Mission Academy for years, which has coordinated rebuilding teams for help after disasters. He is the Nazarene Disaster Relief Director for the district. I had the privilege of helping in Pascagoula during two summer trips after Katrina hit Louisiana. Under Mike’s leadership some tremendous work has been done over the years to help many people rebuild.

NOW THE FOLKS IN THE FORT MYERS AREA NEED HELP AFTER THE DEVASTATING HIT FROM HURRICANE IRMA. Mike has opened his church as a relief center in Fort Myers and needs assistance.

The Need: Supplies for building materials, AND basic supplies such as food, water, and baby supplies.

How to Help: Gift cards are the fastest way. For building supplies: Home Depot or Lowes cards. For other basic supplies: generic gift cards such as VISA, Mastercard cards, etc.

Where to send: LeHigh Acres Church of the Nazarene, 210 Lee Blvd. LeHigh Acres, FL 33936

Who To Call: For more information, or to offer assistance in other ways, call Mike at 239-369-4001. Or email him at mshinn1@msn.com

If you can help with ANY amount, thank you and send as soon as possible. If you cannot, please pray for this church and all the other folks in the area of Fort Myers, the Florida Keys, and the rest of the state that got hit hard. Your prayers are highly valued!

Thank you very much for considering this appeal for help. If you do send anything to the church, please let me know- not for my personal credit, but to see how effective using my resources has been for getting the message out.

God bless you. I have added a little extra information below:

 

Mike shinnMike Shinn, Pastor at Lehigh Acres Church of the Nazarene
Director for Nazarene Disaster Relief
Lives in Fort Myers, Florida

Types of things Mike needs, which will be purchased with the gift cards:

Baby supplies especially! Bottled water. Food.
Batteries, flashlights, generators, chain saws, tarps, roofing shovels, shovels, rakes, roofing nails, rakes, heavy duty garbage bags, gloves, utility knives, wheel barrows, portable showers and kitchens, storage trailers, gift cards to Lowes and Home Depot, paper towels, toilet paper, cleaning supplies.

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Sad Time For The Nazarene Church: A Nazarene Pastor’s Desire For Revival

The Church of the Nazarene needs more voices of holiness pastors to sound the alarm to the people.  I call upon all Nazarene pastors who cherish the truth of God’s holy word, who love their denomination, who love their people, and most of all, who love the Lord Jesus Christ, to speak the truth.  Here is one of those voices.  Thank you brother Kirby for not being silent.

Charles Kirby  Charles Kirby, Charles Kirby Ministries
http://www.charleskirbyministries.com/

Our Mission:  Charles and Bess Kirby have spent 56 years in pastoral ministry, pastoring some of the fastest growing and largest Nazarene churches in the denomination. The last 19 years were at Lake Gibson church in Lakeland, Florida that experienced incredible growth under their leadership. It is obvious God had a plan for them from the beginning in 1961 to resurrect, restore and bring healing to declining churches across America. Every church they have pastored has needed restoration. That has been their ministry from the beginning.   Click here for highlights of their ministries.

A Sad Time For The Nazarene Church

The bones of Phineas F. Bresee, founder of the Church of the Nazarene in 1908, are rattling in his grave in Los Angeles. The doctrine of Scriptural holiness he had preached as the pastor of the First Methodist Church of Los Angeles he was inspired by the Holy Spirit to bring to the new church. The doctrine and the new church spread like wild-fire across America. Scriptural holiness has been the distinguishing doctrine of the Nazarene Church from the very beginning until now. However, compromisers and liberal preachers are doing all they can to destroy the foundational roots that have guided the church through the years.

It guided my parents into the church in 1944 during a revival with the silver-tongued orator, Dr. L.B. Hicks as the evangelist in what became our home church, the First Nazarene Church in Jackson, Tennessee. I preached my first sermon from that pulpit on March 28, 1957, 60 years ago this past March. I have been a career Nazarene pastor for 56 years, pastoring churches across America, the last 19 years at Lake Gibson Nazarene in Lakeland, Florida. It has been an incredible journey for Bess and me!

During this journey of a lifetime, I have been faithful to proclaim God’s Word without fear or favor, and remain true to the doctrines of the Church, including the fullness of the Holy Spirit in every believer’s life through the experience of entire sanctification and Scriptural holiness.

Dr. Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky, states, “For some time now, it has been increasingly clear that every congregation in the nation will be forced to declare itself openingly on the issue of same- sex marriage. That moment of decision and public declaration will come to every Christian believer, individually. There will be no place to hide, and no place safe from eventful interrogation. The question will be asked, and invitation will be extended, a matter of policy must be decided, and there will be no refuge.”

Ladies and gentleman, I never dreamed the day would come when I would be forced and directed by the Holy Spirit to write these lines about my denomination. But that time has come and I cannot be silent! An indication that our moral resolve is weakening, and we are questioning our moral responsibility and leadership as Nazarenes occurred on the floor of the Nazarene General Assembly this past June when 97% of the delegates voted to remove the word “Perversion” from the Nazarene Manual statement on human sexuality as related to homosexuality. Since when did this behavior cease to be a perversion? Our overwhelming action on this appears to be indicative that we have lost our moral courage as a church, and are now more concerned about not offending someone.

  Perhaps the most alarming and disturbing action associated with all of this also occurred during the past General Assembly when leadership of the Nazarene Church permitted for the very first time an exhibition of the rainbow flag and the LGBT letters…worldwide symbols of the homosexual movement.   Click HERE to see the Nazarene Church web site that is sponsoring the booth.  Allowing for the appearance of the rainbow flag and the LGBT letters in full display at an exhibition booth at a Nazarene General Assembly may have seemed innocuous, but it is not. If anything it was naive and foolish, and a betrayal of trust, and I cannot be silent!

I have told general church leaders the past few years that the Nazarene Church was in serious trouble and in a state of decline, but to no avail. I have based the fact of that statement on the response I have received from viewers to my messages from the worldwide web aired from the pulpit of Lake Gibson Church. It has been overwhelming when I have preached against the culture changing the Church rather than the Church changing the culture, and being Biblically correct rather than politically correct.

The only thing that can save us is a mighty move of the Holy Spirit to fill every pulpit in the church until preachers will experience the powerful anointing of God’s Spirit, to be bold in proclaiming the truth found in the Word of God without compromise…a modern day Great Awakening!

Dear God, please revive Your Church!

Charles Kirby

Saved, Sanctified, Sacramental Nazarene Pastors: Hypocrites In Their Own Words

“Your own mouth condemns you, not mine; your own lips testify against you.” Job 15:6

Everyone who is in a battle for the truth and dealing with corrupt shepherds and false pastors, will get the same treatment. It is what they do best, because they have abandoned the truth. It does not matter whether you are a “nobody”, or a pastor, or a college president. They will try to take you down and make you out to be a hater, or a fool, or un-Christ like if you don’t go along with their false doctrines. And the response to these people is to just keep exposing the “unfruitful works of darkness…and reprove them. Don’t back down from them. Jesus did not back down. Paul did not back down. Neither should we.”

(The comments that I am pointing out today by certain pastors are nothing new to me. They have been directed at me and others for years, and we are used to it. If I wrote an article for every time such comments surfaced in public, it would be pointless and distracting from my ministry to do so. Once in a while, however, I believe it is necessary to call out those in responsible positions (pastors especially) who speak in ways that are outside of what God expects from pastors).

If a pastor were to attack someone’s theology and doctrine, I would have very little problem in dealing with a fair argument and disagreement. But when they attack the person rather than the positions of that person, then they need to be exposed for their behavior. If you are a pastor, you especially need to take ownership for your public pronouncements. If any of these pastors are embarrassed from what I show you today, they have no one to blame but themselves. Matthew 18 does not apply in such situations, since they have already pronounced their judgments publicly.

Sacramental Nazarenes is a liberal-leaning Nazarene FaceBook group. I believe there is something very wrong with some of the pastors in this group. These are the kind of pastors that are unlike those I have known, such as my father and father-in-law. In all my life, I never heard those two men speak in such ways as these pastors do. I believe that these folks need the Holy Spirit to touch them at the core of their soul. I feel sorry for them, especially since they seem to believe they can hurt me by throwing insults my way. These people are living sad lives when they focus so much on me, because it is all so much more than about me.  It is about false doctrines in the church and the wolves that have crept into the church! Yet, they continue with this bizarre and obsessive focus on me. Perhaps it is a way of assuaging their guilt in some way.

Sacramental Nazarene Admins And Their View of Homosexuality

Before we go on to what they wrote, look at part of Sacramental Nazarene’s basic statement:

“What this group is NOT…a place to: debate divisive topics like politics or homosexuality; criticize, label, judge, rant or condescend(Group admins reserve the right to delete posts they deem inappropriate.)”

Isn’t it odd that a sin such as homosexuality would even need to be seriously debated? But on the other hand, why would debating about any kind of sinful sexual behavior be considered divisive? Do they also consider other sexual sins such as adultery, or lust, or pornography, or fornication, or incest, as also being divisive topics and unworthy of “debate?”
Is homosexuality a special thing that has special meaning to them? Do some of these pastors even believe homosexuality is a sin? How many of these pastors would clearly and without ambiguity declare that homosexuality is a sin? Think about how these folks might view homosexuality in the light of this position statement. I do not believe it should be taken lightly. I believe it is part of their makeup, part of their leanings towards acceptance and “affirmation.” This is very dangerous in my opinion, and any statement such as “we are in alignment with the ‘polity’ and manual of the Church of the Nazarene” should never be taken as the final answer.

Oh the irony and hypocrisy of it all, as apparently the rants, the judging, the condescension directed at me is okay with the admins of this group.

Sacramental Nazarene Pastors And Their Behavior

The discussion was started by an ordained Nazarene pastor, Greg Farra. He is a member of NazNet, a Nazarene group that is dominated by emergent church and liberal types who promote non-Christian ideology. Here is what he said, after apparently going through my blog with a fine-tooth comb searching for an “indicting” statement, and then predictably putting his own spin to it (“refused to admit it publicly”).

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Note the “seriousness” of ordained pastor Greg Farra, who I am sure would have no problem with prayer labyrinths or praying the rosary. He, like most of these Sacramental Nazarenes, is highly interested in Roman Catholic ways, with formal rituals and procedures, with wearing collars that imitate Catholic priests. He and his friends seem far less concerned with true Christianity, biblical doctrine, and holiness. He is more concerned with ecumenicalism and compromise with the world. My opposition to ecumenicalism is only one of the reasons that he tries to use me as a punching bag. What a waste of his time.

But more seriously, Greg Farra believes in the Roman Catholic heresy of transubstantiation- the belief that the bread and wine of communion actually does become the real body and blood of Christ. This is heresy being introduced by a Nazarene pastor! And they call me crazy and not a true Nazarene?   I wonder what the General Superintendents think of this? What does his District Superintendent think of this?

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Bob Hunter

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Bob Hunter is interesting. He has gone after me for years and said many nasty things about me, mostly on NazNet discussions until I was cast out for doing far less than most of these guys say. I don’t know what his status is today, but I believe in the past he was an ordained Nazarene pastor. I could be wrong. Nevertheless, please pray for Bob.

Greg Farra’s Way Of Handlng All Matters

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Greg’s seemingly cavaliar attitude towards the principle of “defending the faith” speaks loudly when he talks about the ELCA. After his previous derogatory words, pastor Greg says that he wants to “approach all matters in love first and foremost.”   But then…

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It did not take long for Greg Farra to forget his determination to “approach all matters in love first and foremost.”   That is called hypocrisy. This is what they always do. They speak from one side of the mouth and do something different soon after. “Clouds without water… fruitless trees… wild waves of the sea.”

David Troxler

David Troxler is a pastor in the New England District. I assume David claims to be a saved, sanctified Nazarene. Here then are the judgmental words of a saved, sanctified Nazarene as he talks about me:

“so against joy”, “bitter spirit of judgmentalism”, “personal crusade against all things of the Spirit”, “he is to be pitied for his condition”.

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Note to David: My wife, my pastor, my few close Christian friends who know me pretty well, would certainly have taken me aside and lovingly spoken to me in the hopes of helping me. But you obviously think otherwise. You judge me like that, rather than refuting the actual specific claims that I always make. You cannot do that because you have no biblical argument, so you resort to ugly, personal attacks. Tell me, if a Christian from your church were to express their concerns like I do, would you treat them the same way? I will pray for you too.

Bob Hunter’s Psychoanalysis

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And then Bob Hunter chimes in with the usual phoney psychological analysis he has been doing for years on me. I wonder if he can be charged with practicing without a license?  Several years ago, Bob expressed the desire to come to my house with his dog so his dog could do something on my front lawn. This was also said publicly, although it was one of the milder things he has said about me.

Gary Creely Thinks I Want To Make Nazarenes Into Something Else

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Note to Gary: A diversionary tactic by Rev. Gary Creely, used by many of his friends. I know exactly what it is that the Church of the Nazarene has traditionally believed, until folks like you came along. And no Gary, I am not, nor ever have tried to change any denomination to something else. What I have tried to do for over eight years is to simply warn as many Nazarenes as possible about pastors like you, who are dedicated to changing the Nazarene denomination into more of a resemblance of Roman Catholicism, than the holiness denomination it claims it is. Bad, bad analysis Gary, especially since you have been reading my blog for so many years. You ought to know by now what purpose God has called me for, and it is to expose the false teachings and you and your friends have been promoting for years.

David Troxler Insults My Father:

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So David Troxler, as others have done lately, manages to insult the late Rev. Ilidio Silva. David was not satisfied to stop with insulting me.

David, if you are reading this, you obviously have no idea who my father was. If you did, you would know that he was the epitome of what it means to be a Nazarene, and he would have no trouble with what I am doing. Did you know that he was a Roman Catholic as a young man when he was saved from that evil religion; the same religion that so many, including you David, are making excuses for and holding hands with? He would never have accepted this compromise that you and so many New Englanders are involved with now. He was a true Nazarene, saved and sanctified, who would pray for hours early in the mornings for folks like you who have deviated from the true path of holiness teaching. Your words illustrate the pettiness so many of you show towards anyone who is against your liberal emergent church agenda. David, you need to repent, and ask God to clean your heart, and to put a right spirit within yo

Cam Pence Makes The Same Argument As Greg Farra

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Cam Pence is also an ordained Nazarene pastor, and a longtime NazNetter. He also, in spite of being familiar with my writings, is delusioned by some idea that I want to turn the Nazarene church into fundamental Baptists- although I have no problem with Baptists. But he totally does not yet understand what I am doing, and why. Either that, or he is simply being disingenuous and does not want to admit what the battle is really all about in the Nazarene denomination.

One Reasonable Voice

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I may be getting this last pastor in trouble, since I am commending him. But I must be fair about all this.

So there is Rich Schmidt. He is the only one from the “opposition” who spoke with a reasoned voice in all this. I don’t believe that in all my years at NazNet that he ever personally insulted me. I do believe he understands what the battle really is, and even though he disagrees with me on most of the issues, he did not step into the gutter as most of these pastors did. I respect that very much, and I believe Rich saw some of the comments for what they were, and tried to encourage some semblance of civility and fairness into their conversation. He did not speak out to agree with my views, but only to express a saner viewpoint that was a counterbalance to these hypocritical pastors and their very personal attacks.

The Conclusion: IT’S NOT ABOUT ME!!

The behavior of these hypocritical pastors illustrates that it is far from being about me. Not at all. We have seen in recent months the vicious attacks by Nazarene pastors and even some Nazarene leaders on Dr. Everett Piper, president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University. Dr. Piper is a voice of reason, a man of integrity, a truth teller. He is not one who seeks to “please men.” As Paul eloquently says in Galatians 1:10, so too Dr. Piper “would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men.” Yet, we have seen Love Wins:LGBT and their leadership blatantly telling lies about him, and not being held accountable for those lies.

We have seen Rev. Jeff Allen being excoriated by them, also being accused of telling lies. One pastor even recommended bringing charges against him, for telling the truth! We saw eight years ago how Pastor Joe Staniforth was driven out of the denomination, for speaking out against the heresies of the emergent church. We have heard of Jason Bjerke, being told by the New England District bigshots that he would not likely be ordained because he believed in the inerrancy of scripture. It is evident to me that they want the truth tellers and biblical pastors out of the church, and the heretics to be welcomed!

Folks, make no mistake, we are in a battle with evil within the church. Satan is using many pastors now to promote not only ecumenicalism, and contemplative spirituality, but now the LGBT homosexuality agenda. In fact, you really need to ask your own pastors to give you straight answers about their views on homosexuality. Their answer may not end up clarifying anything for you. Satan is using these people to try to shut up folks like me, but also to shut up pastors of integrity and honesty who do not wish to see the Church of the Nazarene go the way of an apostate denomination. Do NOT let them silence you!

Dr. Walter Martin was right a few years ago, when he said:

“the danger to the church, from within, is the person who wears the cloth of Christ… and who stands behind the sacred desk, and who is unfaithful to the word of God. That is the ultimate danger to the church. The corrupt and apostate shepherds who infest our theological seminaries and our colleges, and fill our pulpits… and who know not God, do not believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and will stand in the way of anybody that wants to preach it!   The cancer is within, and it eats away, and we don’t recognize it.  Or when we do recognize it, we don’t do anything about it. We are so careful to preserve the wolves in the church, and so slow to defend the faith of the church!”

Advice To Love Wins LGBT And Andy McGee: Remember The Ninth Commandment

“Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.” James 3:1

There is a sense of greater responsibility and accountability when a pastor accuses someone of lying, especially in public.  A pastor is not just any ordinary person, according to Scripture.  He is expected to be a role model, and a good example to others of Christ-like behavior.  Care must be taken that an accusation is supported with facts, otherwise the harm to the accused can have damaging and unfair repercussions.  Many of you reading this have experienced such damaging repercussions. This is about accountability of a public figure for his public statements.  This is about discernment.  This is about honesty. This is about calling out professing Christians in order to seek correction of their errors; nothing more.  I pray that this account will be used by the Holy Spirit to touch Andy McGee’s conscience and show him the truth.

False Accusations

On July 15, Andy McGee, the leader of the Love Wins:LGBT posted on his FaceBook page a statement that accused three people of posting lies about his ministry.  He called out Dr. Everett Piper, president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University, for posting screenshots that he says were “wildly taken out of context.”   He then brought a Nazarene pastor into the mix, Jeff Allen, who wrote a critique using the same screenshots of Andy’s statements, and Andy stated that the pastor does not like Andy or his ministry. He then pointed out that I also posted the same information on my blog (which I did).  And then came the accusation (the full text at end of article):

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And so the leader of Love Wins:LGBT wants to refute the “lies”.  On Tuesday, July 25, I posted a question to Andy in that same thread.  I asked Andy when he may be writing his rebuttal to the “lies” that have been written about him.  Soon after, I was blocked by Andy, and he deleted my question. In the same post, he says that he has reached out to “each of these men”; but after asking him a pretty reasonable question, he blocked me.

Andy recently unblocked me so that he could tag me with a new post that he published. (I am however prevented from responding to anything he says). He wrote that he is praying for the three men he has accused of lying.  However, he has yet to either support his claim, or apologize for his accusation.  Here is part of what he wrote in this new post:

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What Will Andy Do?

It seems to me that the leader of Love Wins:LGBT is in a difficult situation.  If he never writes his rebuttal, he fails to show how any of these three men are liars, yet his accusation still remains for all to see on his page.  If he does write a rebuttal, how will he do it, since he would be rebutting his own words?  I don’t believe that Andy McGee, an ordained pastor in the Church of the Nazarene, ever intends to rebut any “lies.”  He cannot, because his very words are what were posted!  See the post Sounding The Alarm to read what he himself has said about various matters that are in question.  And keep in mind, this group is getting the support of their district as well as from the leaders of the denomination.

Retiring General Superintendent JK Warrick suggested at a district assembly recently that Andy should probably seek some kind of approval before posting anything on his website.  Is Andy that reckless that he needs prior approval before making statements about his ministry?   I actually agree with that assessment. It was also disappointing that Dr. Warrick called out Dr. piper for stating his concerns about the ministry of Love Wins:LGBT, a concern shared by many Nazarenes and other Christians.  I would like to know what any of the current active General Superintendents feel about the appropriateness of the Love Wins_LGBT agenda, including their inappropriate exhibit at General Assembly.

It is also very disappointing that Andy McGee and other ordained pastors in the Church of the Nazarene have gone after Dr. Piper and Rev. Jeff Allen for simply posting the very words of Andy McGee and stating their opinions as to the appropriateness and purpose of that ministry.  There are few people in such leadership positions as Dr. Piper that I have a great respect for.  Hardly anyone wants to tackle such difficult issues of our time anymore, yet Dr. Piper is willing to do that, and he does it with sound biblical reasoning.  Yet we see on his page countless examples of crude, insulting personal attacks by “pastors” who cannot reason using God’s word.

They then attack Rev. Jeff Allen, a courageous pastor, for also posting the very words of Andy McGee and giving his biblical opinion.  If we had more principled pastors throughout the denomination who were not afraid to speak the truth, perhaps the Church of the Nazarene would be in much better shape.  Sadly, way too many pastors are silent about these issues. 

Yet those same pastors who criticize us fail to justify Andy’s support of same-sex marriage activists, or his applause of National Coming Out Day, or his approval of the Gay Christian Network conference, or his approval of two female homosexual activists who are married.  Why is that?  I believe they are angry that “the light has exposed the darkness”, and the true agenda of Love Wins:LGBT is coming out (no pun intended). 

Why Can’t “Yes” Be Yes, and “No” Be No, For Andy And His Followers?

On the same thread that Andy wrote his promise to “rebut the lies”, we see a question asked of Andy:

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Andy’s reply was quite predictable:

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The word of the year seems to be: polity.  “Yes, we are in line with the polity of…and blah blah blah” is now the standard, template response to every pointed and direct question asked of Love Wins:LGBT.  It’s defenders use the same language in their support of Love Wins.  You cannot get them to answer a question with clarity. When you read the thread, it is almost as if the question was horrible and unreasonable, and yet, it simply is asking for clarity!  But there will be no clarity for a while, because when it finally comes, then the unmasking will happen, and even the gullible Nazarene leaders will have to admit: the Love Wins:LGBT  ministry is a deceptive fraud.

If you read the thread, you will see some of Andy’s supporters, including Rev. Antonie Holleman, chief writer of the five Holland papers on homosexuality that will soon be translated and sent out for you to come to your own conclusions about the Holland leadership and their homosexuality agenda.  Holleman and other supporters vigorously defend Love Wins_LGBT, even while others are excoriating anyone who dares to question this organization’s intentions.  Instead, the modus operandi is always the same: false accusations and demonization of truth tellers, and certainly this latest one takes the cake!  To accuse someone of lies, when that person simply repeated the very words spoken by the accuser? Surely that takes lots of chutpza!

Did God’s Word Tell A Lie Also?

 And then we see another accusation by Love Wins:LGBT, but this time they went after God’s word itself.  One of the resolutions at General Assembly, CA-724 was passed which simply stated that all people are born male or female.  This is pretty obvious, is a reflection of the biblical account, and I shardly needed to be stated in the Nazarene Manual!  Love Wins:LGBT’s position, however, is that God was wrong about this, and that the Bible did not get it right.  There is apparently a third gender called intersex, which refutes what the Bible says. For some bizarre reason, the resolution was later rescinded and slated for “further study” by the General Superintendents.  (We know what happened in 2013 with the Human Sexuality statement, don’t we, when it was tabled for further study).  This is yet another capitulation to the homosexuality agenda.

Here is how Love Wins:LGBT stated their objections:

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So the apparent position of Love Wins:LGBT is that any claim that God created only male and female and nothing else, is a “plainly seen, easily identified, and blatant lie.”  These are the very words of the leadership team of this organization.  And yet, they are allowed to promulgate this nonsense and much more, and now more recently at their district assembly in Kansas City, with the blessings of the district leadership.  What does this say about discernment and leaders making right decisions?  And this leads me to a final note about all this.

What This Is Really All About

This ultimately is not about Andy McGee, or Love Wins:LGBT.  This is about a holiness denomination that has been taking the wrong turn multiple times over the last several decades, and now has ended up going further down a dark alley. And yet, this ministry is setting a dangerous precedent, and I believe it is surely becoming a powerful influence within the Church of the Nazarene. I can almost see four years from now: Andy’s organization will not be the only one at General Assembly with the rainbow colors of the homosexual affirmation movement.  Oh no, my friends.  This is just the beginning… of the end.

So where is the leadership, and what are they saying about all this?  Hey, I don’t know.  Let me know when you find them, they don’t speak to me anymore.  One thing is for sure: they are in some ways responsible for allowing the enabling of this group and letting them take hold of much of the discussion about the Church of the Nazarene and its future.  The topic of homosexuality should not be the central topic of conversation in the church, but apparently it is in good running to be just that.

This is What You Ought To Do, Andy

Andy, if you are reading this, you have publicly charged three men of posting lies about you; a very serious charge indeed.  So I await your rebuttal of the “lies.”  I also would like to understand how anyone took your own statements “wildly out of context.”  This is what you promised to do.  You need to at least keep your word.

 Otherwise, you need to repent for your own sake, and apologize to those you have maligned with your public words.  I do not hate you.  I do not even dislike you.  Believe it or not, I care about you, Andy. This is not a personal thing; it is a matter of accountability.  I urge you to repent of what you are doing, stop hiding your agenda behind pre-programmed answers, and be completely honest with the people.

Manny Silva

“Women Of Joy” And Other Christian Conferences: Perception Is Not Necessarily Reality

The Perception: A Good “Christian” Conference

For $120 per person, this is what you get:

You go to the website, and see beautiful testimonials, strong endorsements, and well known popular speakers in the evangelical community.

You read the following statement, which is part of their theme:

“A women’s conference that not only uses the word of God, but is founded in scripture.”

Or… is it founded in scripture? Many women may be planning to go to this conference, and much of it sounds and looks really good. It’s called “women of joy” (who does not like joy?), and it claims to be solid, and it has well known speakers. But what sounds and looks good, is not necessarily the reality. In this time of ever growing and great deception, it is always advisable to “test the spirits” as Scripture commands. So… let’s test the spirits, and see if the speakers at these conferences are sound in doctrine, or not. If they are not, will you still go and listen to them?

The Reality: Unbiblical Theology

  1. One speaker, Margaret Feinberg, has written a book, in which she makes claims of special divine revelation. She says that a shepherd, a beekeeper, and a winemaker whom she interviewed about their work, “illuminated the Bible in a whole new light”.

Quote: I traveled to Oregon and spent time with a shepherdess to learn more about sheep and leadership.  Southern Colorado to spend time with a beekeeper and explore the world of hives and honey.  Nebraska to visit a farm and learn about harvesting, and California to learn about viticulture and fruitfulness from a grape-grower.

Along the way, I asked how each person interpreted passages of Scripture in light of their work.  Their answers illuminated the Bible in a whole new light and resulted in the book …

This begs the question: are we truly able to get enlightenment about the word of God in a whole new light from an outside source? Or is it not the fact that Scripture stands alone, on its own, without the need for any outside testimony to reveal God to us? Margaret Feinberg will be at the Lowell, MA, Women of Joy conference.

  1. Another speaker, Christine Caine, adheres to and teaches Word of Faith (prosperity gospel), a heretical belief system. She has held leadership positions at, and is closely affiliated with Hillsong, an organization which has deviated very far from sound Scriptural doctrine. She has also regularly partnered with false teachers, including T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen, Bethel conferences, Robert Morris, Rick Warren, Steven Furtick, and Joyce Meyer. She will be speaking at the Lowell, MA conference.1

  2. Then there is Ann Voskamp, one of the most popular women speakers in the evangelical world today. In his review of her book One Thousand Gifts, Bob Dewaay describes her writings as “romantic panentheism.” Quoting pastor Dewaay:

Voskamp would likely recoil from the notion that she is promoting pagan nature religion. But she puts Christians on the same footing as the pagans by taking them on a journey to find God in nature and art. She thereby promotes mysticism. Her concepts about God that are distinctively Christian are borrowed from special revelation (the Bible). But she never makes a distinction between general revelation and special revelation, and by integrating the two so seamlessly, she elevates nature to the status of saving revelation. Since God is supposedly in everything, then God can be found in everything. And that is panentheism.”

Voskamp also incorporates Romanticism in her concepts of God.

“Voskamp’s romanticism is enhanced by her skill at describing things in a most sensual manner. The sensual terminology is designed to create a mood, a feeling, a sense of romantic mystery that longs for discovery and fulfillment. Those like me who relish clear description of theological concepts meant to be understood and discerned, will be horribly frustrated by the book.” 

“This sensuality finds its apex in the last chapter of the book which begins with this sentence: “I fly to Paris and discover how to make love to God” (Voskamp: 201).”

In this article by Sola Sisters, you see more detail of how Voskamp relates to God in an erotic manner that is clearly inappropriate and unbiblical in its references.

Her book is also filled with New Age ideas, and she quotes mystic and false teacher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, “Nothing here below is profane for those who know how to see.” Dewaay says that “The idea that everything is holy and nothing profane is popular, but unbiblical, and comports with the idea of panentheism. The Bible tells us to separate the holy from the profane: “Moreover, they shall teach My people the difference between the holy and the profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean” (Ezekiel 44:23).

Another speaker on the team is Lysa TerKeurst. Her false teaching is documented here by Michelle Lesley:

https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/07/31/leaving-lysa-why-you-shouldnt-be-following-lysa-terkeurst-or-proverbs-31-ministries/

There are others who are very flawed in their theology, flawed to the point of false teaching. Others may be more sound in their doctrine, but are they not aware of these women? Kirk Cameron is part of this organization, and is a speaker at some of the conferences. Why does he not have the discernment to stay away from false teachers such as these? Are we to not have anything to do with those who preach another gospel?

We need to do our homework before committing to ANY concert, any conference or seminar, no matter how good it looks on the surface. If you don’t know anything about who you are going to hear, why would you go? In such a time as we are in, now is the time to be even more discerning, and find out who it is who is going to teach you something! It may not be from God.

And there is no excuse, such as the idea of “spitting out the bones and keep the meat” as some false teachers like Joyce Meyer will tell you. Nonsense! We are clearly taught in Scripture about the wolves in sheep’s clothing; to beware of them; to expose them; to call them out; but certainly to not support them in any way. Yes, these women, I am sure, will have some biblically sound things to teach you. But they will be mixing their dangerous theology with it, and they will be particularly dangerous to those vulnerable new Christians who may very well go because you, the mature Christian, did not use sound judgment.

Be a Berean, my Christian sister. If they were discerning when they heard Paul preach, what then with the “teachers” of today?

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Acts 17:11

 

 

 

 

Links For Further Reference:

 

Margaret Feinberg:

http://bereanresearch.org/margaret-feinbergs-organic-god/

 

 

1Christine Caine:

https://michellelesleybooks.com/2016/03/04/chhave-no-regard-for-the-offerings-of-caine/

 

 

Ann Voskamp:
http://www.solasisters.com/2012/04/commentary-on-ann-voskamps-one-thousand.html

 

http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue120.htm

 

 

Lisa Harper

 

https://michellelesleybooks.com/popular-false-teachers/

 

Lisa Teurkust

 

https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/07/31/leaving-lysa-why-you-shouldnt-be-following-lysa-terkeurst-or-proverbs-31-ministries/

What’s Wrong With Soulfest?

Would you attend a church service if:

The pastor advocates same sex marriage.

The pastor is a regular speaker at Roman Catholic events.

A hard core/heavy metal non-Christian band played during the service?

The pastor promotes Roman Catholic mystical practices.

The pastor believes that … “I don’t particularly care about Scriptures stance on what is ‘wrong.’ I care more about how it says we should treat people”

The pastor is on the board of directors of a Roman Catholic church organization.

The pastor believes in unity between evangelicals and the Roman Catholic Church, which teaches a false religion.

If your answer to these questions is NO, substitute the word pastor with “Christian music artist.” Would you go to a Christian concert that has music artists and speakers who believe and promote the above things I mentioned? It would seem that any Christian who understands Scripture and its admonishments to stay away from those who promote a different gospel, the answer should still be NO to the question.

Ecumenicalism is a big movement in the world today. For the purposes of this article, ecumenicalism is defined as “a movement seeking unity among groups that profess to be Christian.” It seems everybody wants unity today. Unity amongst Christians is a good goal, yet when a move towards unity contradicts Scripture’s teaching, that is when we have trouble. So let’s turn to Scripture briefly. Scripture is clear on the issue of who we should fellowship with. For example, we have a clear directive in Ephesians.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Eph. 5:11

Over and over in various epistles, the same kind of instruction is given to us.

God’s word says that we are not to fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” Reprove them! There is no biblical argument for promoting ecumenicalism; for getting cozy with those who teach and promote false doctrines, or to fellowship with self-professing Christians who are part of a false religion.

If a Bible-believing Christian would be opposed to the above situations in a church setting, then what is the difference if it is Christian artists performing at Christian concerts?

“Worship is no longer worship when it reflects the culture around us more than Christ within us.” A.W. Tozer

What Is Wrong With SoulFest?

Soulfest is a yearly Christian concert held in New Hampshire in the Summer. If you agree that the examples above as far as attending a church are reasons to stay away, what is the difference if the artists and speakers at the “Christian” concert are promoting same-sex marriage, holding hands with Roman Catholicism, and promoting false doctrine? There is no difference, and in fact, everything mentioned above are actual positions held by various artists and speakers that will perform at Soulfest.

I cannot emphasize the spiritual danger that young people and adults are in when they attend these concerts. There is a great danger especially to those who are either very new Christians, or are not saved at all. The influences of these popular artists are very strong, and can lead a young person to accept things that are not true and that are unbiblical. There is often a resulting emotional high that comes during many of these performances, and emotion can drive many to an experience that is false and does not last. Those who are reading should consider carefully what kind of “Christian” concerts they attend. Most often, it is not as Christian as you think it is. Be wise, and use discernment.

Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are not the same “religion.” How one is saved, the authority of Scripture, the work of Christ on the Cross, and so much more, is totally opposite each other. There are so many differences that are irreconcilable, which make true fellowship impossible.

Why would a Bible-believer want to fellowship with and support those who promote a false religion? Why associate with and give support to those who promote immoral behavior? Why would you expose your youth to such an environment, where they are susceptible to stumbling? Why go to a concert with so many artists who ground their music on worldly ideas? Think twice on this, my Christian friend, before you go to Soulfest. The summary below of just a few of the major artists performing reveals a level of apostasy and deception that should be very disturbing to Christians.

SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE ARTISTS AND SPEAKERS

TobyMac
performed for the Roman Catholic Youth Rally in 2011, which featured Pope Benedict XVI and a Catholic mass during which a piece of bread allegedly became Jesus.*

Jars Of Clay Lead Singer Dan Haseltine Supports “Gay Marriage”
This group is one of the most popular Contemporary Christian groups around. Here is what their lead singer said about same-sex marriage:

“Not meaning to stir things up BUT… is there a non-speculative or non ‘slippery slope’ reason why gays shouldn’t marry? I don’t hear one. … I’m trying to make sense of the conservative argument. But it doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny. Feels akin to women’s suffrage. I just don’t see a negative effect to allowing gay marriage. No societal breakdown, no war on traditional marriage. … I don’t think scripture ‘clearly’ states much of anything regarding morality. … I don’t particularly care about Scriptures stance on what is ‘wrong.’ I care more about how it says we should treat people” (“Dan Haseltine,” MetroWeekly.com, April 22, 2014).

Crowder
On the blog Christians United Against Apostasy, Dave Mosher documents how Crowder teaches Lectio Divina to young teens. David Crowder is very ecumenical and Roman Catholic-friendly. Crowder authored the book Praise Habit: Finding God in Sunsets and Sushi, where he encourages the practice of lectio divina and references and quotes contemplative/emerging figure Walter Brueggemann a number of times. Lectio Divina is one of the many forms of contemplative mysticism which has been greatly popularized by the emergent church movement and Roman Catholicism.

Matthew West
Mathew West is another ecumenicalist and was a participant in the highly ecumenical event, Together 2016, which included the pope and other false teachers and ecumenicalists.

Matt Maher
Matt Maher prays to Mary and believes that she aids men in salvation.

Maher’s wife is Methodist, but they are raising their son “in the Catholic Church,” while also taking him to Methodist services “so he can experience both traditions” (Religion News Service, May 17, 2013).

Maher ministers at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Parish in Tempe, which is devoted to Mary as the Queen of Heaven. The sign at the front of the church says, “Mary, Mother of Life, pray for us.”

Maher is on the board of directors for the Catholic youth organization Life Teen.

Maher performed at the 2013 Catholic World Youth Day in front of the pope, a great venerator of Mary as the Queen of Heaven. Maher also led worship for Pope Benedict XVI’s visit to the Rally for Youth in April 2008.

Maher says that touring with people like Michael W. Smith is producing ecumenical unity because people come to the concerts and find themselves standing beside a priest or nun, and they learn that “we’re all in this family together.”*

Project 86: Hard Core/heavy metal secular music at a Christian concert?
Project 86 is a hardcore rock and heavy metal band. On their website, you will not find a single reference to God or Jesus Christ. There is no mention of Jesus Christ in any of their songs or their albums. Why would such a group perform at a Christian concert?

How can you tell the lost about Jesus without a mention of His name? How can you reach people if you don’t preach the word? We are told to preach the word.
Romans 10:14  “How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher”

 

Yet, here is lead singer Andrew Schwad:

“I think right now with Project, we’re going a lot more of a secular route. We’re not doing anything differently – we just think were going to be doing more secular shows. There’s a big debate about preaching at secular shows…we’ve always been subtle but forceful at the same time…for us to go out there and play with bands. We’re not going to go in there and say ‘hey were the Christian band’ …were going to carry ourselves like a normal band. Hopefully people will like our music and investigate into the band…and they will learn our beliefs. If you don’t do it that way, I just think you should only play Christian shows…because a lot of the times, club owners won’t even let you in. It’s very ineffective to just preach from stage.” 

Here is a sample of their music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKGtfOrtJ1s

And here are some of their t-shirt designs. Does looking at these things make you feel like reaching out to Jesus and giving praise to God?

86 tshirts

“Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good.” 3 John 11

Catholic Mass at Soulfest
There are daily Catholic masses scheduled at Soulfest. Would you attend a Catholic mass at a local Roman Catholic Church?

References:

* https://www.wayoflife.org/database/ccm_and_rome.html

http://thesoulfest.com/artists/

LGBT, What It Really Stands For

(John Henderson)

(Preach the saving gospel to them. Stop lying to them! Stop deceiving them!)

Why don’t we just cut to the chase? Look past all of double-talk and safe words and phrases that are filled with dishonest implications.

LGBT; that “community” (a misnomer itself) that is so persecuted by mean-spirited evangelicals; that poor, misunderstood, super-sensitive group of “normal” people who are so mistreated just because God made them that way and they just cannot help it; that group of innocent folks that God welcomes just as they are with not expectations of ever being anything else but LGBT. Those are the ones!

When you break it down to its own internal evidence, it is not a bit pretty.

“L” – Lesbian: Simply defined, a “lesbian” is “a female homosexual or woman who is primarily attracted SEXUALLY to other women” [“homosexual” defines itself with the emphasis on “sexual”].
“G” – Gay: A borrowed term emitting from overt behaviors that simulate happiness in men behaving in effeminate manners. The delusion is that they are gay or joyful. A “gay” male is a male homosexual who is primarily attracted SEXUALLY to other males.
“B” – Bi-sexual: Male or female who is SEXUALLY attracted to both genders.
“T” – Transgender: Males or females who have a disingenuous gender identity or gender expression that differs from their biological gender that happens to be irreversibly locked into their DNA. This is often expressed through symptoms of Transvestic DISORDER that include, for over a period of at least 6 months, a person who has had recurrent and INTENSE SEXUAL AROUSAL from fantasies, SEXUAL urges or behaviors from cross-dressing (most often when a heterosexual male has fantasies about and/or acts out dressing up in woman’s clothing). The fantasies, SEXUAL urges and behaviors can cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning (source: behavioralconnections.org/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=599).
Do you see a thread here? That thread is completely SEXUAL in character and always leads to such behaviors where possible, permitted, and/or encouraged. Specifically, it always involves intense sexual arousal in some form or pattern.
Are not many Nazarene leaders telling us that sexual arousal in this context is not a sin, even officially in the denomination’s Manual? They call it “orientation” but that is just a code word for lust that exists in an especially intense and sinfully focused direction. Consider Jesus’s stern condemnation concerning so much as looking at someone of the opposite gender with lust as being the same as the actual behavior and compare that to the argument in favor of it. Nothing is changed when the same lust is directed at one’s own gender, except there is a specific condemnation in the Scriptures against homosexuality (without qualifications or exceptions) that is ignored or “explained” away. That Bible-defying argument is swallowed up by biblical truth.
Whenever someone uses that acrostic in support of the homosexual agenda, they are in effect showing approval of distorted intense sexual arousals that are of themselves an abomination before God.
Not only is this condition a flagrant sin, it is also related to a medical and psychological pathology distinctive to itself.
One study found that “LGBT clients enter treatment with more severe substance abuse problems, greater psychopathology, and greater medical service utilization when compared with heterosexual clients. When the analyses were stratified based on sex, different patterns of substance use and associated psychosocial characteristics emerged for the LGBT clients” (<http://www.journalofsubstanceabusetreatment.com/…/…/abstract).
We need to stop kidding ourselves and approach LGBT as the pathological problem it is. Do they need help? Most definitely, but they cannot receive the help they need if we insist on looking the other way and pretending something else. They are drowning in serious trouble in major aspects of their lives and insensitive predators are throwing them a floating device with no rope attached. But, all sin across the board is just as bad, no matter how it expresses itself. LGBT is just one of the ways. Jesus saves from sin!
Preach the saving gospel to them, not some watered-down counterfeit that only helps drag their poor souls into hell. Stop lying to them! Stop deceiving them! Show them the Jesus who can completely transform and change their lives for much better than the filth they wallow in. Give them real hope, not some false comfort that encourages them in what they are doing to themselves.
Jesus died that they, too, might be saved—just like He died for all people. There are no allowances for sin but there is always regeneration available. That old saying applies here: “Jesus saves from the guttermost to the uttermost!” This is the way that godly, Christ-centered, scriptural love wins these lost souls.