When will the day come when a General Superintendent of the Church of the Nazarene will answer a question about homosexuality forthrightly, clearly, and unambiguously?
At the Southwest Indiana District Assembly this Summer, General Superintendent David Busic was asked the following question by Pastor Jared Henry, an ordained elder in the Church of the Nazarene:
“If an ordained elder in the Church of the Nazarene is advocating publicly for gay marriage or the practice of homosexuality, and the district fails to deal with that- in other words, they don’t take their credentials, what takes place after that…in other words, what recourse may be at that point?”
Dr. Busic begins answering at the :54 mark, in this video.
He finishes his answer some nine minutes later, and no one can reasonably conclude that he gave a straightforward, clear answer. And yet, it appears to me that that the response he gave to a very specific question has resulted in continued confusion and uncertainty within the denomination, and perhaps will discourage or demoralize pastors who are working hard to uphold biblical standards regarding homosexuality. This should be very troubling to all Nazarenes who have been seeking answers about the direction the church is going regarding human sexuality, and its stance on homosexuality.
A simple and clear answer to the question would have been something like “The Church of the Nazarene will not back one inch from its biblical stance on homosexuality. There is no excuse for any district to fail to uphold our biblical principles, and any pastor who continues advocating for anything that violates biblical principles ought to be required to surrender his credentials and is not fit to serve in the church in any leadership position.”
Instead, like a politician trying to walk a fine line and avoid offending anyone, Dr. Busic spent about nine minutes answering a very appropriate question from an ordained elder in the denomination who clearly is concerned about upholding biblical standards. It was a great opportunity to give clarity for members who are looking for the church leadership to step up in a time where clarity is needed so badly. The LGBT movement which is trying to normalize homosexuality within the denomination is a real danger, and General Superintendents need to be unambiguous when it comes to homosexuality.
Yet, it is not a surprise to me when I see this kind of response to serious questions. In the past when I had communicated back and forth with several General Superintendents (the emails can be found on my blog), their responses had little substance, and they only spoke in general terms. They seem to not like giving direct answers to specific questions. One of them has promised several times since 12 years ago he would get back to me. I’m still waiting.
At around 1:20 in the video, Dr. Busic says that 2017 was one of the “most extraordinary moments in the Church of the Nazarene”… and that “97% voted on a clear position on human sexuality.” He described the new Human Sexuality statement as “one of the most poetically and beautifully written statements.” He also stated that “this board [the current Board of General Superintendents] is 100% behind what that  General Assembly did.”
And yet, that specific Human Sexuality document omitted the word “perversion” from the manual, in reference to homosexuality; and it was applauded by LGBT advocates such as Andy McGee and Love Wins LGBT, as well as the Holland Nazarene District, and the New England District also advocated for watering down the statement.
If you did not know, the Holland Nazarene District is basically in rebellion against the denomination, and is already blessing same sex unions. So for them to applaud the Human Sexuality statement is not an indicator of anything good. And what makes it worse, the Board of General Superintendents knows of their rebellion, and even received additional evidence from me, with an email from a pastor admitting blessing same sex unions, and admitting that the Generals are aware. Read the article here.
What have the General Superintendents done about that? Absolutely nothing. You may want to ask them the next time you run into them or speak with them. Why is the Holland District being allowed to pervert the word of God openly?
There were other concerns that came out of his response as well. When another question was asked about the Confucius Center at Northwest Nazarene University and why was it allowed to be there, Dr. Busic said:
“I had not heard about it… but let me say this about all our universities in the USA. I believe 100%, every single one of our Presidents, including NBC and NTS, every one of them, are completely committed to our Nazarene identity.”
My question to Dr. Busic, who is a former President of the Nazarene Theological Seminary, would be: “Dr. Frank Thomas has been scheduled to speak at the seminary in September. Dr. Thomas is a pastor who advocates for Critical Race Theory ideas; it is documented that he is a racist; he is an open advocate of abortion, which goes against Nazarene doctrine; and he supports the LGBT movement. Dr. Busic, is it appropriate that NTS is allowing this man who is against so many biblical principles to speak, and would you do the same if you were still president?
Also, what does Dr. Busic think about a theologian (Dr. Willie James Jennings) who spoke at NTS this year? Would he have invited Jennings? Dr. Jennings is an open advocate for same sex marriage. (https://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2022/02/25/nazarene-theological-seminary-welcomes-gay-marriage-promoter/
So either Dr. Busic is unaware of the many problems at the Nazarene universities and seminaries, or he feels that there is absolutely nothing wrong with allowing such advocates of unbiblical principles to speak at Nazarene colleges. In any case, he is incorrect by stating “every single one of our presidents… are all committed to our Nazarene identity.” There is too much evidence to contradict that statement. And I’m afraid every single General Superintendent would have answered in a similar way.
There are other statements he made that will cause some concern regarding the issue of clarity in how things are addressed. If there was ever a time for full clarity in such areas, now is the time for clarity from those who are charged by the Nazarene manual to be the guardians of biblical truth in the denomination.
My heart goes out to all Nazarenes who are still active in the denomination. My heart goes out to pastors who are sincerely seeking answers and support from the leaders. I was a lifelong Nazarene; my father and father-in-law were true holiness preachers. There are far fewer now, and many of the pastors coming out of Dr. Busic’s former seminary are the very ones who are destroying the church, and yet the people are waiting for someone to step up.
I feel for those who are fighting for biblical truth to be upheld, but to me it seems like a losing battle. But when you have leadership at the highest levels speaking as politicians, rather than giving clear and strong answers that would provide clarity, all you get is a mess that leads into further apostasy.
(This article will be sent to the General Superintendents)
If the hosting of a pro-homosexual group at a seminary does not bother the conscience of a member of the Nazarene denomination, then perhaps nothing will. If my Nazarene friends remain silent because of this story, then they could well remain silent for anything else. If the reaction of anyone reading this is to condemn or rebuke me or anyone else for exposing evil, then you have some serious praying to the Lord to do. And if a Nazarene pastor reading this decides to remain silent, then perhaps he ought to give up his credentials and stop preaching.
Recently, it was a pro same sex marriage theologian, Willie James Jennings, speaking at an event sponsored by Nazarene Theological Seminary (NTS). Jennings is a theologian who is in favor of same sex marriage. Homosexuality is an abomination according to God’s word, but that did not stop the seminary from bringing in a speaker who rejects Holy Scripture.
Love Wins LGBT Scheduled To Be AT NTS on May 10-12, 2022
In the link at the end, you will see that the seminary is now welcoming an organization (Love Wins LGBT) that is pro-homosexual. And once again I ask, “where is the leadership?” This all is happening right under the noses of those who are charged to guide the denomination spiritually. Is it possible that some of them actually approve of this abomination? And as you will see, former General Superintendent Jesse Middendorf is right in the middle of the movement to normalize homosexuality in the Church of the Nazarene.
Love Wins LGBT is a group that claims to be a Wesleyan-Holiness movement, but it is not. It is a façade, a charade. It is a group which I believe is pushing for normalization of homosexuality within the Church of the Nazarene. The leader of Love Wins:LGBT is Andy (Anderson) McGee, who is “pastor” of Trinity Family Mid_Town Church of the Nazarene in Kansas City, KS. I have written several post about this “pastor” and his pro-homosexual agenda.
Andy has supported gay activists who promote same sex marriage, praised a “gay Christian” conference, praised a racist organization, praised the National Coming Out Day, and has testified that he is bi-sexual. When you study more and more of his ministry, you will notice that there is never any mention of Jesus Christ helping those in the homosexual community to be freed from their slavery to homosexuality. You can read more about Andy and his methods here and here.
In this podcast, listen to Andy McGee’s version of his “gospel: Anderson On Being Queer In Ministry (with Bekah)
Note the following excerpt from an announcement by Andy’s ministry:
Love Wins: LGBT is officially partnering with Praxis (formerly known as the Center for Pastoral Leadership) at Nazarene Theological Seminary to bring this conference to life and help ensure that the information shared at the conference is available to anyone who desires access to it.
In February of 2022, NTS officially relaunched the CPL with the name “Praxis” – a term used to describe a church’s ongoing life that moves between study/reflection and engagement/action; each movement informs the other. This strategic renaming broadens the CPL’s scope to better serve the life of the Church in the 21st Century.
Nazarene Theological Seminary’s vision to provide lifelong learning and encourage leadership in the local church became a reality with the formation of the Center for Pastoral Leadership in 2014. Under the leadership of Dr. Jesse Middendorf and the Rev. Dana Preusch, the Center has provided thousands of hours of lifelong learning and thoughtful resources, events, and support to Nazarene clergy in the USA/Canada region and beyond. Praxis will build on and expand this work.
Once again, one of the usual suspects in this movement to normalize homosexuality within the Church of the Nazarene is Jesse Middendorf, a former General Superintendent. To think that a man who was in the highest office of the Nazarene denomination has been one of the leading promoters of Andy’s “ministry” should be quite concerning.
A notable speaker at the conference is Antonie Holleman, District Superintendent of Netherlands District Church of the Nazarene. The Holland district has already been shown to have churches that bless same sex unions. A few years back, I sent a warning to the General Superintendents about this, and about a Nazarene pastor in that district who admitted to blessing same sex unions. I never got a response, and as far as I know, that pastor is still active in the district. See my report here.
This movement is not new. I recall in the General Assembly at Indiana, in 2013, when I attended a session run by Andy. A Nazarene pastor at the end of the session spoke accurately and faithfully of how Christ can change anyone from whatever wrong lifestyle that dishonored God. I recall yelling out “Amen!” after he spoke, and I was met with disapproval by several people around me, including some Nazarene pastors. The state of the denomination is most likely worse now than it was back then.
Will there be any righteous voices speaking out amongst the leadership of the church? I believe there are some, but there needs to be more. But if this ignoring of the situation continues on, it will spell doom for a denomination which says much about holiness, but surely is not doing enough of a job of rebuking those who are “lovers of themselves” and who worship the created instead of the Creator.
I am not trying to necessarily convince Nazarenes to leave the denomination. I simply want to encourage them to do the right thing. The right thing may be different for each person, but the wrong thing is to ignore it all. Perhaps you will have had enough, and leave the denomination. Perhaps you are part of a faithful Nazarene church, and you won’t abandon faithful pastors. Perhaps you will join the fight and try to bring the denomination back to its holiness roots, which it seems to be abandoning. But why would you want to remain silent and allow the church to slide more into heresy?
In Galatians 4:16, the Apostle Paul asked the churches in Galatia a question. “Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?” What good does it do if someone has cancer, but the doctor does not say a word about it to the patient? Why are some Nazarenes determined to protect the reputation of a denomination that is proclaiming holiness on the outside, but inwardly is rotting with spiritual cancer?
In Galatians 1:6-10, the Apostle Paul writes about what is going on within the church:
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
When Ezekiel was charged by God to warn the people about any coming danger, the Lord clearly stated the consequences. If Ezekiel would listen to God, and warn the people, he then would not be held responsible if the people perished. But if he failed to warn the people, and one single person perished, he would be held equally responsible for failing to do his duty. That is what I am doing, and others are doing as well. We are being faithful by warning the people of the danger.
I’ve been rebuked and condemned by some Nazarenes for distributing negative information (warning the people) about things going wrong in the Church of the Nazarene. So have many others who are still Nazarenes who have been warning others within the denomination. Instead of raising the alarm, or contacting those in leadership to ask questions, many Nazarenes are treating the messengers as if they are doing something un-Christian!
Many Nazarenes are either turning away to a different gospel, or they are totally ignoring the danger. They seem to say “as long as it’s not in my backyard or church” then I don’t care. Meanwhile, apostate pastors-to-be are being groomed at Nazarene Theological Seminary to lead more sheep astray. They will be wolves in sheep’s clothing, leading many to hell because of a false gospel. And the Nazarenes who refuse to learn biblical discernment will be spiritually shipwrecked.
In Proverbs 27:6, the writer states that “Faithful are the wounds of a friend,
But the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.” Would you rather be lied to? Or would you rather know the truth?
“Gay marriage must be celebrated just as strongly, as loudly, and as intensely as any marriage of disciples, because what begins in civil toleration when touched by the Spirit of the living God becomes joyous and extravagant celebration”
Oh my, words like this should never be allowed to be promoted in any way to believers! We should never support a man who teaches these abominations, should we! No, of course not. But that’s exactly what is happening in the Church of the Nazarene.
Nazarene Theological Seminary ought to be called a Cemetery now, not a seminary. Dr. Willie James Jennings is the latest reason why the predominant school for preparing future Nazarene pastors is almost full blown apostate! I will give you the details a little further in this article, and each of you Nazarenes can decide whether you care or not, and if you will say something to your esteemed General Superintendents, who are charged with the spiritual leadership of the church.
Apostasy is not new in the Nazarene denomination. It has been creeping in and spreading for years now, and it will probably continue. The rejection of the inerrancy and full authority of God’s word has been the foundation of this apostasy. When pastors no longer believe in God’s word, what else do we expect, except chaos, followed by the embrace of the worship of blackness and Critical Race Theory, the approval of LGBT and homosexuality, and the worship of “worship” itself rather than worshipping God.
I have little time as I used to have for the nonsense happening in my former denomination. I spent more than ten years warning everybody I could, along with a few other Nazarenes who were willing to risk everything, including their positions as pastors. These were the truly brave and faithful warriors, not me. But I’ve had enough now. I have my church to shepherd now, as well as my family, although I will occasionally post a new warning. The last one I wrote, in June of 2020, was about the racist ideas being proposed for the denomination in order to “teach” pastors to be “more sensitive” to blackness, and to own up to their “lack of enough understanding”. (https://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2020/06/13/the-church-of-the-nazarene-is-bowing-the-knee-to-racially-divisive-radicalism/
One of the abominations being allowed to continue unabated in the denomination is the disgraceful Andrew McGee, with his perversion of the Gospel and promotion of homosexuality, under the guise of his lying ministry called “Love Wins.” If you don’t believe me, listen to this stupidity being allowed by the wise leaders of the denomination. He talks about being “Being Queer In Ministry”. Why this man is still allowed to pervert God’s word in a Holiness denomination is a total disgrace. General Superintendents ought to be fired, if that was at all possible. But they should be held accountable in some way.
The Latest Abomination
Here is the latest abomination. Dr. Willie James Jennings will be speaking on February 26 at a conference sponsored by Nazarene Theological Seminary. The folks at We Are Nazarene are doing a great job carrying out the exposing of abomination in the denomination, and I agree with them when they say “It is long past time to defund the NTS.” I would encourage any Nazarene who cares, that they would join this FaceBook site and understand the many awful things being promoted and celebrated in the Church of the Nazarene.
We Are Nazarenes says “Dr. Willie James Jennings is currently Associate Professor of Systematic Theology and Africana Studies at Yale University Divinity School. He is also described as an expert in Liberation Theology. His lecture at Fuller Seminary a few years ago was entitled “Can White People Be Saved?” (spoiler alert: the answer is no) I think you would find it very revealing… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wRvaG9j53g&t=9s”
But there is more evil coming from this man, who will be speaking to future Nazarene pastors. Dr. Willie James Jennings is a full blown supporter of same sex marriage! And yet, NTS is promoting this seminar! NTS is either utterly incompetent, or they are aware of his unbiblical theology. In either case, it is bad- and I believe they know full well what he promotes.
Here are just a few of his words, and there are a lot more I could give you, but this should be enough:
“Gay marriage must be celebrated just as strongly, as loudly, and as intensely as any marriage of disciples, because what begins in civil toleration when touched by the Spirit of the living God becomes joyous and extravagant celebration” (“Acts: A Theological Commentary on the Bible”).
And this: “Coupling in this regard is a wonder to be shared by all who wish it, whether heterosexual or homosexual, and marriage should be grasped by all who would mark their life together as a life inside the way of disciples.” ((“Acts: A Theological Commentary on the Bible”).
If you as a Nazarene don’t know this yet, well now you do. What will you do or say about this?
What a disgrace this is, and a slap in the face to our Lord Jesus Christ. For this kind of nonsense to be allowed for so many years- and it has not stopped – is a reflection on the uselessness of the Nazarene “leaders.” I am particularly referring to the elitists at the top, the General Superintendents. They have done very little, and instead have shown their propensity to join the “woke” bandwagon and other leftist political views. They have sacrificed holiness for political expediency and the approval of man.
At some point, every faithful and Bible-believing Nazarene Christian will come to a decision. Stay, or leave? After all, who are you most faithful to: a denomination, or the Lord Jesus Christ? Every pastor who leads his congregation must tell the members about this as well. There is no excuse for keeping silent. To you pastors, remember Ezekiel 33:6, because it is still relevant today for every under shepherd of the Great Shepherd:
“But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.”