Racist, Pro-Abortion, Pro-LGBT, Conservative-Hating “Pastor” Speaks At Nazarene Seminary

The Nazarene Theological Seminary is dying, if not already dead, and has been for a while, well before the recent event at the Preacher’s Conference.

Part One: Responsibility Of Nazarene Leaders

The responsibility has to be laid on President Jeren Rowell and other NTS leadership over the last 15 years or so for destroying a once biblical seminary. We must give some level of responsibility to the entire Board of General Superintendents during this period, who have failed to do anything of significance to stop a steady progression of post-modernism, mysticism, creation worship, and social justice; and now lately, it is woke ideology, LGBT and normalization of homosexuality, Critical Race Theory and blaming of white people for racism.

Regarding the General Board, the Nazarene Manual mentions in section 317.1 one of their duties: “Provide supervision, guidance, and motivation for the general church, with appropriate attention to leadership and theology for all districts, agencies, and ministries of the global Church of the Nazarene.” Section 306 also mentions their role to include: “propagating theological coherency.” I submit to you that they have failed to meet these specific duties and responsibilities. There is no theological coherency across the board in the denomination and the colleges and seminaries.

And the culpability does not stop there. There are district superintendents, college professors and chaplains, pastors, and local church leaders who are contributing to this mess. And sadly, there are many sitting in the pews who would rather stay silent and enjoy their monthly pot luck dinners rather than rock the boat. They know what’s going on is bad, but they put themselves in a state of denial and an unhealthy emotional allegiance to an organization. All this is contributing to the slow death of a holiness denomination.

Part Two: Commentary on the Seminary And Frank Thomas

My report concerns Dr. Frank A. Thomas, who spoke at Nazarene Theological Seminary on September 27. Mr. Thomas did not sneak into the seminary under false pretenses. He is not guilty of fooling the most learned leaders of the seminary by pretending to be aligned with stated Nazarene values.  He did not trick them into believing he was teaching a Gospel-based message. If only it were so, because being fooled might be considered a little less serious than being knowing partners to a crime. Dr. Jeren Rowell and all the others who are aware of this man’s unbiblical ideology and hateful rhetoric are either very gullible and ignorant, or complicit.  The evidence indicates that they are knowingly complicit in agreeing with and facilitating a false teacher’s agenda, and thus they allowed him to stand behind the sacred desk and preach his false ideas.

It would take a serious bit of work to save this seminary, requiring a wholesale replacement of leadership and heretical professors. This rarely happens. The only successful turnaround that I know of is that which was accomplished through the efforts of Dr. Al Mohler, who doggedly fought through every obstacle he encountered; fired dozens of professors who were teaching heretical ideas; and with little support except from God, was able to root out liberalism from the classrooms and chapel of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.  I know of no other effort that ever turned around a seminary from its march into the abyss of apostasy.

Dr. Thomas has earned the applause of men now, so he has his reward now. After warnings from various Nazarenes over the last several months, Dr. Rowell concluded that Frank A. Thomas is worthy of speaking at a seminary that purports to espouse holiness; purports to follow the Nazarene manual; and purports to follow biblical standards. Sorry, but “actions speak louder than stated loyalty to church polity.” What happened on September 27 was a travesty that should never have happened. Dr. Rowell and all who collaborated in arranging this travesty should be fired. They are active facilitators of a problem which keeps getting worse. But don’t forget to hold the General Superintendents accountable.

Frank A. Thomas is a false teacher. What is a false teacher? A false teacher is, in simple terms, someone who deceives by teaching things that should not be taught. What he teaches is contrary to God’s word, including the things that Jesus Christ taught, but also anything taught in the entire Bible. On that basis, Frank A. Thomas is a false teacher.  And the leaders at the seminary should know better; they should cease to be leaders; and they should be removed from their positions of power and influence.

Frank Thomas advocates for racial division, blames societies problems on all white people, and promotes Critical Race Theory; he praises Jeremiah Wright who is one of the most racist pastors in America, and who also teaches Black Liberation Theology; he is pro-abortion; he supports the LGBTQ agenda; he vilifies Christians who are conservative in their theological and political views.

Below is the link to of Thomas’ first speech at the Preacher’s Conference. I follow up with a commentary on selected quotes from this mostly political lecture. I do not consider it a sermon.

Part Three: Commentary on Frank Thomas’ Speech on Sept. 27

Title: The Word of God For The People of God: “What About The Children?”
Video Timeline:
0:00 to 29:30- Thomas’ message.  30:00 to 1:03:15- Interview session.
Scripture Passages used: Exodus 1:15-17, Luke 18:1

In Opening Comments, Thomas Omits Abortion from a long list of Violence Against Children

Thomas’ speech focused on “the children.”  This seems to be a “sermon” that he recycles often at different speaking engagements. Here are some highlights, with timelines:

02:30: Mr. Thomas asks… “What about the children?” (repeats this often)
He quotes Amy Lindeman Allen, a professor at Christian Theological Seminary, where he teaches. “Children are rarely the center of text and interpretation, and more often than not, are simply an appendage and an afterthought.” He quotes her also by saying that “while marginalized groups such as black people, women, minorities, LGBTQI, immigrants, Latinx, we don’t mention children.”

“What about the children in this post-truth era, lies, fake news, conspiratorial facts?”

04:35 “Chief challenges facing children all over the globe: violence through indoctrination, poverty, life as refugees, lack of access to education, child neglect, child labor, child sexual rape and molestation, child abuse, child prostitution, child trafficking and slavery, military use of children, disease, hunger and climate change, to name a few.”

Note: he fails to mention the evil of abortion, which is a violence of the most reprehensible kind.

In Less Than 10 Minutes, We Hear His Racist View of Society

5:35 Mr. Thomas addresses issues affecting our children, and here he regurgitates his racist approach to all of life’s problems. Quote: “… in the issues affecting our children…what we would probably find is fear in adults. The fearful reality for some is that America is changing, and by 2040 Euro-Americans will not be the dominant group in the nation. There is massive fear in living in this kind of diversity when Euro-American people don’t control the levers of wealth and power, of voting and institutions.”

This is straight out of Critical Race Theory, a philosophy which Mr. Thomas embraces, and he shares with close colleagues like the very racist Dr. Jeremiah Wright. CRT teaches the basic racist idea that ALL white people are guilty of racism, even if they deny it. It also teaches that every institution in America is loaded with racism and functions to keep people of color down and inhibit their success in life.

This comment reflects the post-modern thinking of the Emergent Church

6:30 “I hate to admit this, but… I don’t like change either. But nothing stays the same. Everything must change.”

This is reminiscent of another false teacher who has made a very negative impact on the Nazarene denomination.  “Everything Must Change” was a book written by Brian McLaren, whose post-modern philosophy included the idea that nothing remains the same. All ideas are in play (i.e. absolute truth, views on homosexuality, etc.).  Even the standard of scripture is subject to change. EVERYTHING is subject to change, which is also a foundation of liberalism. This is a philosophy which seeks to facilitate the ability to move the goal posts of theology, and change the direction on a whim, based on societies opinions.  It is totally opposite of the teaching of God’s word, which is steady and never-changing.

These comments exemplify the subtle attacks on conservative Christians

9:10 “In this fearful environment, all political leaders have to do is appeal to our fears…scapegoat minorities, women, LGBTQI persons, immigrants, blame other people…it’s the immigrants that are taking our jobs.”

10:06 “A God and a church to divinely sanction and offer cosmic validity to our fears.”

Using the Exodus 1 passage, Thomas betrays his hypocritical “care for the children”

10:55 “Allow me to bring the king of Egypt to the homiletical stage.”

It is ironic that Mr. Thomas uses a passage in scripture that describes a plan to kill babies en masse, but then he himself is a supporter of abortion. He describes the pharoah as responding “in fear…wielding massive levels of power and political machinery.”  He says later… “Maybe for Shiphrah and Puah, children were the center of the world, and not adults. When asked about the children, they had an answer.  Save the children at all costs…because if we cut off our children, we cut off our chance at redemption.” At 14:12 Talks about Fred Rogers and how he focused on children, “you are special just the way you are.” He continues on… “he loved and protected children.”

17:30  He builds up this monologue to what I knew he was going to do. His “sermon” again become a political attack, which he loves to do… “When I look at our public behavior… some of these politicians and these groups, I say are you going to act like this in front of the children? You gonna put these kids on buses as political pawns, ship them to sanctuary cities. Pawns as political games. You do that to children? What about the children? Adults dropping their fearful slime on children.”

19:36  Luke 18 text is now quoted, where the children come to see Jesus, and the disciples rebuke the people. He depicts the disciples complaining to Jesus this way…. “Can you get these kids out? Can you get these immigrant kids out of here?”  Once again twisting scripture to make a political point, not a theological truth. He continues… “can you get the black kids out? We trying to build the kingdom.”

22:20 “Would I be dangerous to say that if you aborted a child, a child is already in the kingdom? To such belong the kingdom.” Of course, he does not talk about abortion as an evil thing, because he supports abortion. It is as if he approves of abortion, because the child will go to heaven anyway. Later, in the question period, he affirms his support for “choice.”

He continues on with more political speechmaking. You will need to listen to it all, I could not stomach much more of it.

23:25 “When are we going to have our Shiphrah and Puah moment…and tell the king, no!…Are there any Shiphrah and Puahs here today?”

The last five minutes he talks about Fred Rogers again, with a nice story about Rogers when he received an award for his programming. And he politicizes it also. This was not a sermon, this was a crass political message that twisted God’s word, as he always does in his public speeches.

The question and answer session was 30 minutes.  Please watch it if you can.  I have no time to do an extended commentary on it.  It was all I could stomach to watch the “sermon.”

Conclusion: Frank A. Thomas, a confirmed racist, pro-abortion and pro-LGBTQI “pastor”, spoke at a seminary that supposedly aligns itself with the holiness principles of the Church of the Nazarene.  It was a complete sham, and if people of integrity cannot rise up to stop this foolishness, this poison will spread into the denomination more, and the Nazarenes will go the way of the liberal mainstream denominations.  The denomination will support woke ideology; it will support homosexuality; it will support blaming white people for the world’s troubles; it will worship creation instead of the created.  It will do everything but uphold the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, while sending many people to hell who are buying into their lies.

Past articles related to Frank A. Thomas:

General Superintendent’s Answer About Homosexuality Leaves More Questions – Once Again

When will the day come when a General Superintendent of the Church of the Nazarene will answer a question about homosexuality forthrightly, clearly, and unambiguously?

At the Southwest Indiana District Assembly this Summer, General Superintendent David Busic was asked the following question by Pastor Jared Henry, an ordained elder in the Church of the Nazarene:

“If an ordained elder in the Church of the Nazarene is advocating publicly for gay marriage or the practice of homosexuality, and the district fails to deal with that- in other words, they don’t take their credentials, what takes place after that…in other words, what recourse may be at that point?”

Dr. Busic begins answering at the :54 mark, in this video.

He finishes his answer some nine minutes later, and no one can reasonably conclude that he gave a straightforward, clear answer.  And yet, it appears to me that that the response he gave to a very specific question has resulted in continued confusion and uncertainty within the denomination, and perhaps will discourage or demoralize pastors who are working hard to uphold biblical standards regarding homosexuality. This should be very troubling to all Nazarenes who have been seeking answers about the direction the church is going regarding human sexuality, and its stance on homosexuality.

Dr. David Busic at SW Indiana District Assembly

A simple and clear answer to the question would have been something like “The Church of the Nazarene will not back one inch from its biblical stance on homosexuality. There is no excuse for any district to fail to uphold our biblical principles, and any pastor who continues advocating for anything that violates biblical principles ought to be required to surrender his credentials and is not fit to serve in the church in any leadership position.”

Instead, like a politician trying to walk a fine line and avoid offending anyone, Dr. Busic spent about nine minutes answering a very appropriate question from an ordained elder in the denomination who clearly is concerned about upholding biblical standards. It was a great opportunity to give clarity for members who are looking for the church leadership to step up in a time where clarity is needed so badly. The LGBT movement which is trying to normalize homosexuality within the denomination is a real danger, and General Superintendents need to be unambiguous when it comes to homosexuality.

Yet, it is not a surprise to me when I see this kind of response to serious questions.  In the past when I had communicated back and forth with several General Superintendents (the emails can be found on my blog), their responses had little substance, and they only spoke in general terms. They seem to not like giving direct answers to specific questions. One of them has promised several times since 12 years ago he would get back to me. I’m still waiting.

At around 1:20 in the video, Dr. Busic says that 2017 was one of the “most extraordinary moments in the Church of the Nazarene”… and that “97% voted on a clear position on human sexuality.”  He described the new Human Sexuality statement as “one of the most poetically and beautifully written statements.” He also stated that “this board [the current Board of General Superintendents] is 100% behind what that [2017] General Assembly did.”

And yet, that specific Human Sexuality document omitted the word “perversion” from the manual, in reference to homosexuality; and it was applauded by LGBT advocates such as Andy McGee and Love Wins LGBT, as well as the Holland Nazarene District, and the New England District also advocated for watering down the statement.

If you did not know, the Holland Nazarene District is basically in rebellion against the denomination, and is already blessing same sex unions. So for them to applaud the Human Sexuality statement is not an indicator of anything good.  And what makes it worse, the Board of General Superintendents knows of their rebellion, and even received additional evidence from me, with an email from a pastor admitting blessing same sex unions, and admitting that the Generals are aware. Read the article here.
What have the General Superintendents done about that? Absolutely nothing.  You may want to ask them the next time you run into them or speak with them. Why is the Holland District being allowed to pervert the word of God openly?

There were other concerns that came out of his response as well. When another question was asked about the Confucius Center at Northwest Nazarene University and why was it allowed to be there, Dr. Busic said:

 “I had not heard about it… but let me say this about all our universities in the USA. I believe 100%, every single one of our Presidents, including NBC and NTS, every one of them, are completely committed to our Nazarene identity.”

My question to Dr. Busic, who is a former President of the Nazarene Theological Seminary, would be: “Dr. Frank Thomas has been scheduled to speak at the seminary in September. Dr. Thomas is a pastor who advocates for Critical Race Theory ideas; it is documented that he is a racist; he is an open advocate of abortion, which goes against Nazarene doctrine; and he supports the LGBT movement. Dr. Busic, is it appropriate that NTS is allowing this man who is against so many biblical principles to speak, and would you do the same if you were still president?

Also, what does Dr. Busic think about a theologian (Dr. Willie James Jennings) who spoke at NTS this year? Would he have invited Jennings? Dr. Jennings is an open advocate for same sex marriage.  (https://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2022/02/25/nazarene-theological-seminary-welcomes-gay-marriage-promoter/

So either Dr. Busic is unaware of the many problems at the Nazarene universities and seminaries, or he feels that there is absolutely nothing wrong with allowing such advocates of unbiblical principles to speak at Nazarene colleges.  In any case, he is incorrect by stating “every single one of our presidents… are all committed to our Nazarene identity.” There is too much evidence to contradict that statement. And I’m afraid every single General Superintendent would have answered in a similar way.

There are other statements he made that will cause some concern regarding the issue of clarity in how things are addressed. If there was ever a time for full clarity in such areas, now is the time for clarity from those who are charged by the Nazarene manual to be the guardians of biblical truth in the denomination.

My heart goes out to all Nazarenes who are still active in the denomination. My heart goes out to pastors who are sincerely seeking answers and support from the leaders. I was a lifelong Nazarene; my father and father-in-law were true holiness preachers. There are far fewer now, and many of the pastors coming out of Dr. Busic’s former seminary are the very ones who are destroying the church, and yet the people are waiting for someone to step up.

I feel for those who are fighting for biblical truth to be upheld, but to me it seems like a losing battle. But when you have leadership at the highest levels speaking as politicians, rather than giving clear and strong answers that would provide clarity, all you get is a mess that leads into further apostasy.

(This article will be sent to the General Superintendents)

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Dan Boone Praises A Racist, Pro-Abortion “Pastor” Who Will Speak At Nazarene Theological Seminary

Dan Boone, President of Trevecca Nazarene University, is one of the most influential and important people in the Church of the Nazarene today.  However, this is not meant to be a compliment, if Mr. Boone is reading this. The “importance and influence” of this man is one of serious significant theological error. I may actually be inaccurate in calling it error.  Dan Boone not only falls short of good biblical discernment, he is one of the wolves in sheep’s clothing who are taking a wrecking ball to the foundations of the Nazarene denomination. He knows exactly what he is doing. And what is more alarming is that he represents the mindset of many other leaders in the denomination!

The most recent evidence is his comment below, which was posted by the seminary as well, to no surprise.

 Boone praises Frank Thomas, who is scheduled to speak at the seminary in September. Thomas is a proven racist, based on his own writings, his tweets, and even some of his preaching.  Not only that, Thomas recently showed in series of tweets and re-tweets his disapproval of the striking down of Roe v. Wade by the Supreme Court. It is clear that he is pro-abortion, a stance that goes against scripture, and even goes against the Nazarene position on human life. And yet, he is to speak at Nazarene Theological Seminary.  And Boone is delighted.

Back to my reference to “wolves” in describing Dr. Boone. In 2017, he was one of the most, if not the most, instrumental church leaders in re-writing the statement on human sexuality and removing the word “perversion” from the language. Dr. Boone will certainly not admit it if asked, but he is pro-LGBT.

His muddied views on human sexuality have been referenced posititively in several papers written by the rebellious Holland Nazarene Church District. This is the Holland District which is blessing same sex unions, and which has not been disciplined in any way by the Church of the Nazarene leaders. (As far as I know). Dan Boone is in good company with them, because the General Superintendents have all been derelict in their duties to uphold biblical doctrine, even as they claim otherwise that all is well.

This lack of discernment is not new to Mr. Boone.  Sometime around 2010 or 2011, I wrote about the prayer labyrinth in use at Trevecca Nazarene University. Mr. Boone defended the labyrinth (which he re-named later as a ‘prayer walk’), which is used in contemplative mysticism as a way to empty the mind and pray to God, but not in a scriptural manner. He also has allowed for years an annual trip to the Abbey of Gethsemani in Trappist, KY.  It is the spiritual home of Thomas Merton, a monk who was steeped in contemplative mysticism. In these trips, Nazarene students are even encouraged to “practice the silence”, and to pray alongside Roman catholic monks and be involved in their rituals. See this article:
https://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2018/02/15/trevecca-nazarene-university-continues-to-promote-mystical-silence-instead-of-biblical-prayer/

Years ago, Mr. Boone used to have the following statement in his bio at Nazarene Theological Seminary: “I am deepening in the mystical forms of prayer.”  The statement is no longer there. He also has stated outrageous unbiblical things such as claiming that many of the Psalms were “borrowed”  from pagan religions:

“What I find more exciting and authoritative is the thought that the people of God were exiled in the pagan land of Babylon, listening to pagan stories about the origin of the universe, and the breath of God spoke through a prophet giving them a different understanding. They hijacked the Babylonian tale of creation and declared God to be the one who, in the beginning, created creation and came to take up residence with us in the cosmic temple. Now that’s authority” (from letter to area pastors in response to Sue and Don Butler’s article)

“The Hebrew creation account is a re-telling of the Babylonian tale. Their Hebrew feast days are re-interpretations of the Canaanite days. The Royal Psalms in the collection of Psalms were once Canaanite songs.” (Dan Boone)

He has compared Bible-believing Christians to jihadists. He wrote a book called “A charitable Discourse”, but Mr. Boone is far from charitable towards those who wish to uphold biblical principles. He insults them:

“Religious fundamentalism is one of the hot topics in the world today and this website has given me the best model, other than Islamic fundamentalism, to demonstrate to students how religious fundamentalism works.”

“I only argued with them in the first place because they were making false claims about Trevecca, and to expose them for who they really are—religious fundamentalists.   But you can’t have discussions with people whose minds are already made up… Rational conversation with them is not possible”

Dr. Boone has called Thomas Merton and Ignatius of Loyola spiritual giants.

Merton was not a spiritual giant- he was a monk who said that he was “deeply impregnated with Sufism” because he believed that Eastern mysticism was compatible with and could be incorporated into Christianity.  He placed Mary high on a level equal to Jesus, and he prayed to many catholic saints.  He was influenced by Aldous Huxley, who found enlightenment through hallucinogenic drugs.
Ignatius of Loyola was no wiser, and as the founder of the Jesuits he brutally persecuted Christians and swore complete submission to the pope.  As most Roman Catholics do, he venerated Mary.  He practiced extreme asceticism, living in a cave for a year and never bathing.  He also promoted and taught visualization prayers, breath prayers, and other unbiblical practices
(Source: Way of Life).  Yet, Dan Boone calls Thomas Merton a spiritual giant.

In a Letter to Pastors that he wrote in 2009, Dr. Boone not only erroneously claimed that the Roman Catholic church was the only church for 1500 years after Christ, but he also exposed more error along with his ecumenical get along with everyone philosophy.  How is it that we can “be one” with the Roman Catholic Church?

“While Nazarenes are different from Catholics in very significant ways, we believe that we will share eternity with them in the presence of the Christ who prayed that we might be one.” (Dan Boone)

To be fair, Mr. Boone is not alone in his lack of discernment and his unbiblical love of contemplative mysticism. There are other leaders as well who love the writings of false teachers such as Merton, Henri Nouwen, and Richard Foster, to name just a few. Nd so that is the problem. Leaders and ordained pastors alike are going down the same road that Dan Boone is going.  And need I say that the General Superintendents continue to be either oblivious to anything wrong, or some are complicit in all that is harming the Church of the Nazarene.

I have also had conversations via email with Dan Boone, and this article details some of that: https://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/conversation-with-a-university-president/

I have concluded that the denomination is beyond repair as it stands. The only “fix” is that either more faithful Christians in the denomination will have to leave eventually, or there is a seismic shift in leadership with a thorough housecleaning to save the denomination.  Most likely acceptance of homosexuality will be the deal breaker for many Nazarenes who are “sticking with it” for now. But there are already plenty of good reasons to leave what is now an apostate denomination. I used to be a member, yet it breaks my heart to say it.

With “leaders” such as Dan Boone, and other “leaders” who have turned a blind eye to the truth of what is happening, the Church of the Nazarene is well on its way to irrelevance, along with all the other mainstream “Christian” churches that have compromised biblical truth and sold out to satan.

Additional related articles:
https://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/dan-boone-goes-after-bible-believers-again/

Nazarene Theological Seminary Welcomes Gay-Marriage Promoter

“Gay marriage must be celebrated just as strongly, as loudly, and as intensely as any marriage of disciples, because what begins in civil toleration when touched by the Spirit of the living God becomes joyous and extravagant celebration”

Oh my, words like this should never be allowed to be promoted in any way to believers!  We should never support a man who teaches these abominations, should we!  No, of course not.  But that’s exactly what is happening in the Church of the Nazarene.

Nazarene Theological Seminary ought to be called a Cemetery now, not a seminary.  Dr. Willie James Jennings is the latest reason why the predominant school for preparing future Nazarene pastors is almost full blown apostate!  I will give you the details a little further in this article, and each of you Nazarenes can decide whether you care or not, and if you will say something to your esteemed General Superintendents, who are charged with the spiritual leadership of the church.

Apostasy is not new in the Nazarene denomination. It has been creeping in and spreading for years now, and it will probably continue. The rejection of the inerrancy and full authority of God’s word has been the foundation of this apostasy. When pastors no longer believe in God’s word, what else do we expect, except chaos, followed by the embrace of the worship of blackness and Critical Race Theory, the approval of LGBT and homosexuality, and the worship of “worship” itself rather than worshipping God.

I have little time as I used to have for the nonsense happening in my former denomination. I spent more than ten years warning everybody I could, along with a few other Nazarenes who were willing to risk everything, including their positions as pastors. These were the truly brave and faithful warriors, not me. But I’ve had enough now. I have my church to shepherd now, as well as my family, although I will occasionally post a new warning. The last one I wrote, in June of 2020, was about the racist ideas being proposed for the denomination in order to “teach” pastors to be “more sensitive” to blackness, and to own up to their “lack of enough understanding”.  (https://reformednazarene.wordpress.com/2020/06/13/the-church-of-the-nazarene-is-bowing-the-knee-to-racially-divisive-radicalism/

One of the abominations being allowed to continue unabated in the denomination is the disgraceful Andrew McGee, with his perversion of the Gospel and promotion of homosexuality, under the guise of his lying ministry called “Love Wins.”  If you don’t believe me, listen to this stupidity being allowed by the wise leaders of the denomination. He talks about being “Being Queer In Ministry”. Why this man is still allowed to pervert God’s word in a Holiness denomination is a total disgrace.  General Superintendents ought to be fired, if that was at all possible.  But they should be held accountable in some way.

https://lifeonsideb.podbean.com/e/s3e22-anderson-on-being-queer-in-ministry-w-bekah/?fbclid=IwAR30PJtpluJUdMmqbzcBHQfyvrGDYg_CtzuJFIKHZEZhksnmFoXJl1TO3bg

The Latest Abomination

Here is the latest abomination. Dr. Willie James Jennings will be speaking on February 26 at a conference sponsored by Nazarene Theological Seminary. The folks at We Are Nazarene are doing a great job carrying out the exposing of abomination in the denomination, and I agree with them when they say “It is long past time to defund the NTS.” I would encourage any Nazarene who cares, that they would join this FaceBook site and understand the many awful things being promoted and celebrated in the Church of the Nazarene.

We Are Nazarenes says “Dr. Willie James Jennings is currently Associate Professor of Systematic Theology and Africana Studies at Yale University Divinity School. He is also described as an expert in Liberation Theology. His lecture at Fuller Seminary a few years ago was entitled “Can White People Be Saved?” (spoiler alert: the answer is no) I think you would find it very revealing… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wRvaG9j53g&t=9s

But there is more evil coming from this man, who will be speaking to future Nazarene pastors.  Dr. Willie James Jennings is a full blown supporter of same sex marriage! And yet, NTS is promoting this seminar!  NTS is either utterly incompetent, or they are aware of his unbiblical theology. In either case, it is bad- and I believe they know full well what he promotes.

Here are just a few of his words, and there are a lot more I could give you, but this should be enough:

“Gay marriage must be celebrated just as strongly, as loudly, and as intensely as any marriage of disciples, because what begins in civil toleration when touched by the Spirit of the living God becomes joyous and extravagant celebration” (“Acts: A Theological Commentary on the Bible”).

And this: “Coupling in this regard is a wonder to be shared by all who wish it, whether heterosexual or homosexual, and marriage should be grasped by all who would mark their life together as a life inside the way of disciples.” ((“Acts: A Theological Commentary on the Bible”).

If you as a Nazarene don’t know this yet, well now you do.  What will you do or say about this?

What a disgrace this is, and a slap in the face to our Lord Jesus Christ.  For this kind of nonsense to be allowed for so many years- and it has not stopped – is a reflection on the uselessness of the Nazarene “leaders.”  I am particularly referring to the elitists at the top, the General Superintendents.  They have done very little, and instead have shown their propensity to join the “woke” bandwagon and other leftist political views.  They have sacrificed holiness for political expediency and the approval of man.

At some point, every faithful and Bible-believing Nazarene Christian will come to a decision.  Stay, or leave?  After all, who are you most faithful to: a denomination, or the Lord Jesus Christ? Every pastor who leads his congregation must tell the members about this as well.  There is no excuse for keeping silent. To you pastors, remember Ezekiel 33:6, because it is still relevant today for every under shepherd of the Great Shepherd:

But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.”

Rejecting The Existence of Hell: The Next Nazarene Blunder?

“Christian theologians are rethinking the idea of hell, and it’s moving seminaries and other religious schools in the Kansas City area to examine how they teach students about this ancient, disputed concept.”

This is the opening sentence of an article written by Bill Tammeus, a Presbyterian elder in Kansas City.  I am not in any way endorsing any of Mr. Tammeus’ views, as he is a hardcore ecumenicalist and believes that Roman Catholics and Protestants can walk side by side together in unity, setting aside the teachings of a false religion which is Roman Catholicism. Mr. Tammeus also believes “that there’s no persuasive biblical case to be made against homosexuality”, and appears to support the liberal views on homosexuality.

Mr. Tammeus reports in this article about a trend among seminaries in the Kansas City area, where they are re-considering the traditional biblical view of hell as a place of eternal torment, and that separation from God is a result of rejecting God and His salvation through Jesus Christ.  According to Mr. Tammeus’ research, theologians have started a discussion “about whether eternal torment for unrepentant sinners is really part of God’s plan to redeem the whole creation.” (Source: https://www.flatlandkc.org/commentary/what-the-hell-thats-what-local-seminaries-are-asking/?fbclid=IwAR3YgHY-4pi0V4rYyr2suZFVICR0KzihMdoNhWkN41H-mUM-6veDHzPHn-I)

Tammeus states that:

 “But for such area Protestant seminaries as St. Paul School of Theology (Methodist), Central Baptist Theological Seminary (American Baptist) and Nazarene Theological Seminary, discussions about hell are considerably more nuanced. The denominations these schools represent historically have affirmed hell’s existence, but leaders are quick to point to disagreements among theologians about what exactly that means, about whether hell is permanent and about such alternative ideas as annihilationism, which proposes that when someone who refuses the eternal love God offers dies, God simply wipes out any trace of that person.”

That is troubling in itself for the body of Christ regardless of denomination, but I am particularly troubled because there seem to be the beginnings of this conversation within my former denomination, the Church of the Nazarene.  And this conversation no less has apparently been started by the current President of Nazarene Theological Seminary, Jeren Rowell, as well as NTS professor Andy Johnson.

Mr. Tammeus writes:

“A similar kind of discussion is happening at Nazarene Seminary and at the Nazarene denominational level.  Nazarene Theological Seminary President Jeren Rowell and New Testament Professor Andy Johnson say there’s discussion among Nazarene leaders about changing how the denomination describes hell.

The Church of the Nazarene has belief statements called “articles of faith.” One says that “the finally impenitent shall suffer eternally in hell.” With help from Andy Johnson, the seminary’s professor of New Testament, those statements are undergoing a revision, and there’s a recommendation that the “eternally in hell” statement move closer to the church’s current “Agreed Statement of Belief,” which says, “The finally impenitent are hopelessly and eternally lost.” That removes the word hell and leaves open the possibility that, in the end, no one will be “finally impenitent.” But it’s unclear whether that proposal will be adopted.

President Rowell stated in the interview that:

 “There’s so much we don’t know — and can’t. And in the Church of the Nazarene we have really not tried to bind our people with particular views of the beginning or the end of the world.”

Words can hardly express the sadness I feel.  It seems ten years ago, I would not have even thought this kind of wavering on God’s word would happen.  And to think it would come from the minds of leaders of a school that prepares future pastors is absolutely mind-boggling! And yet, I am not surprised at these additional steps towards apostasy, and dare I say, an almost universalistic view of the destiny of those who die and go into eternity, with or without salvation.

Are pastors and other leaders in a holiness denomination now willing to accept that leaders are even discussing the possibility that hell- as described by the Lord Jesus Christ, does not exist? Are Nazarenes in an even more difficult situation, that now they are seeing less wisdom, and more apostasy, being embraced by church leaders?  Do the words of the Lord Jesus Christ matter to President Rowell and all the others who are considering watering down God’s word?

Hear the words of Jesus on this subject:

The Lord describes the punishment of the wicked in Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”  He further goes on in verse 46 and speaks of their destiny:  “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”  Eternal punishment!  Everlasting!

In 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Paul writes: “They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might”.  And Revelation 20:10 talks about a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever”.

There is a lot more in scripture about this, but do I have to really write a complete treatise on the subject here? Hell is real, brothers and sisters. It is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end.  If anyone denies this, they are liars and do not speak the truth. They are speaking words from the pit of hell, no pun intended.

And so another camel has stuck its nose into the theological tent of the Church of the Nazarene. Soon it will be completely inside as well, joining along with all the other “heretical camels” that have snuck into the church. And once again, the most likely response to the creeping apostasy from the General Superintendents and many leaders in the Church of the Nazarene most likely will be… nothing.

I am reminded of the words of the serpent in Genesis 3, when he said to Eve “hath God really said?”  Has Satan whispered the same words to Nazarene leaders and bewitched them as well? For over ten years, I have seen this played out over and over in many other areas, including the denomination’s slow capitulation to the LGBT/homosexual movement. In the words of the apostle Paul, “I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:3

I am comforted with the fact that, at least in the end, there will be a small remnant that will refuse to bow the knee to Baal.