Trevecca Nazarene University Continues To Promote Mystical Silence Instead of Biblical Prayer

“…I am deepening in the mystical forms of prayer.” (Dan Boone)


Thanks to the undiscerning “leadership” of President Dan Boone, Trevecca Nazarene students will have the opportunity to go on a mystical ride. Once again, it time for the “Spiritual Formation” retreat at the Gethsemani monastery in Kentucky, spiritual home to the famed Roman Catholic mystic, universalist, and Buddhist sympathizer Thomas Merton. (
Merton, who is dead, is a rising star amongst many undiscerning, confused or deceived Nazarene pastors of today. Along with his spiritual brother, Henri Nouwen, and other modern day proponents such as Richard Foster, they have risen to a prominence equaling and perhaps surpassing that old out of style book called the Bible.


Contemplative prayer uses the same meditative exercises used in Eastern religions and New Age cults. Practicing the silence has absolutely no basis in scripture, yet Dan Boone has deceived many students at Trevecca by sending them on yearly retreats alongside Roman Catholic nuns and monks. Dr. Boone also promotes the use of prayer labyrinths, and has had one there for years at Trevecca. After I exposed this more fully, he made excuses about it, and later re-named the labyrinth and called it something else.

Practicing the silence is simply another form of contemplative mysticism (or contemplative spirituality), which is often excused for by Boone and others by abusing the meaning of Psalm 46:10. Dr. Boone once said on his profile page at Nazarene Theological Seminary, “…I am deepening in the mystical forms of prayer.” (It is no longer there). Well, this is exactly where the Church of the Nazarene is going, and even more boldly than nine years ago when I first saw this coming.

The affinity for mysticism has taken over the Nazarene universities and the seminary and Bible college so much, that the holiness denomination is transforming into a reflection of the Roman Catholic Church combined with Eastern mysticism and contemplative prayer rituals. In the promotion for the retreat, students are given the option of spending time with the nuns during their prayer hours, almost certainly with the chance to hear prayers to Mary the co-redemptrix with Christ, and even the prayers to dead “saints.” When you view the video promotion, there is nothing that connects “silence” with any biblical teaching or instruction.

Forms of contemplative prayer include: centering prayer, labyrinth meditation, stations of the cross, breath prayers, the silence, lectio divina. The goal of contemplative prayer is to clear one’s mind so that you can hear God better. It seeks to empty the mind and enter an altered state of consciousness by repetition of a mantra; focusing on one’s breathing; contemplating images or icons. I suppose that through this method, the person will receive new revelation from God.

But biblical prayer is based on the scriptures:
See: Micah 7:7; Ps. 4:3; 1 John 5:14, 15

True prayer is with both spirit and mind, not one or the other. 1 Cor 14:15

True prayer talks to God the Father (Phil. 4:6) through Jesus Christ (John 16:23), in the power of the Holy Spirit. And we understand that what God has revealed in His Word is sufficient; any new revelation is unnecessary. 2 Tim. 3:16–17


The Retreat At Gethsemani And Its Purpose


Here is what Trevecca’s website says as it promotes what is basically a “Christianizing” of pagan practices:

“How does one learn about silence?  By being silent.
How does one hear the voice of God?  By listening”

But scripture says that, “faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”  Rom. 10:17

What is being promoted in this retreat is not a focus on hearing the voice of God through His word, but to become silent and somehow have God speak to you directly.  But if someone tells you that he heard God’s voice, how would you know if it was not actually a demonic voice?  They also say this:

“Are you looking for a true retreat, a chance to read, pray, rest, and enjoy nature? There will be no agendas, no meetings, and no requirement—just being quiet before God and listening for His voice.”

So what they are saying here is, to truly listen to the voice of God, we must be silent.  Is this how we are taught to listen to God?  Where is the biblical basis for this?  Is this the technique Neal Donald Walsch used before he wrote his book, Conversations With God, in which he claims he actually had conversations with God?  How does one believe him, and not me, or someone else?

“Union with God in prayer requires us to learn to quiet ourselves–yes, from the noises which surround us, but also from inward noises (restlessness, fears, our agenda’s, etc.)  It is this stillness and emptiness which allows us to be open to hearing the voice of God.”

Union with God?  Stillness?  Emptiness?  Emptiness allows us to be open to the word of God??  Where is this remotely taught in scripture?  I can tell you, it is not.  Dan Boone and the emergent church people try justifying practicing the silence by quoting Psalm 46:10.  (“Be still, and know that I am God”).  He needs to read all of Psalm 46 in context, and he should know that it has nothing to do with practicing the silence.  Why do so many ordained elders in the Christian church today twist scripture for their own agenda? Emptying the mind is a dangerous practice that is inviting demons to come in, not God.

This is a constant promotion of not only mysticism and pagan prayer methods invented by man and not found anywhere in scripture, but also an encouragement of ecumenism and fellowship with those who practice a false works-based religion.  Instead of rescuing their students from the clutches of the false system of Rome, these leaders are sending our students directly back to what those from the Reformation were rejecting, year after year now.

Dr. Boone’s Love of Thomas Merton and Other Roman Catholic Mystics

Dr. Boone has called Thomas Merton and Ignatius of Loyola spiritual giants.
Merton was not a spiritual giant- he was a monk who said that he was “deeply impregnated with Sufism” because he believed that Eastern mysticism was compatible with and could be incorporated into Christianity.  He placed Mary high on a level equal to Jesus, and he prayed to many catholic saints.  He was influenced by Aldous Huxley, who found enlightenment through hallucinogenic drugs.
Ignatius of Loyola was no wiser, and as the founder of the Jesuits he brutally persecuted Christians and swore complete submission to the pope.  As most Roman Catholics do, he venerated Mary.  He practiced extreme asceticism, living in a cave for a year and never bathing.  He also promoted and taught visualization prayers, breath prayers, and other unbiblical practices (Source: Way of Life).  Yet, Dan Boone calls him a spiritual giant.


In a Letter to Pastors he wrote in 2009, Dr. Boone not only erroneously claimed that the Roman Catholic church was the only church for 1500 years after Christ, but he also exposed more error along with his ecumenical get along with everyone philosophy.  How is it that we can “be one” with the Roman Catholic Church?
“While Nazarenes are different from Catholics in very significant ways, we believe that we will share eternity with them in the presence of the Christ who prayed that we might be one.” (Dan Boone)


“Be one” with the Roman Catholic Church and all its false doctrines? His philosophy seems to be that anyone who claims the name of Jesus, no matter their belief otherwise, will spend eternity with Christ. This is contrary to Jesus’s teaching, and indicates Dr. Boone’s dangerous and ignorant thinking as he misleads others.


Nazarene Pastors Love Thomas Merton, Henri Nouwen and Other Mystics

Although Merton and Nouwen are proven false teachers who were universalists and Buddhist sympathizers, an alarming number of Nazarene leaders and pastors love their heretical work. Here are some recent comments by Nazarene pastors on a closed Nazarene FaceBook page, in a very “enthusiastic” discussion with Bible believers. Their names are not mentioned because it is a closed group, but I would love to challenge them to promote these false teachers openly at their churches and in public. Listen to some of them defend Henri Nouwen who promoted doctrines of demons:

One of my favorite authors since my sophomore year of university (Compassion). Grounded me as a new pastor (Return of the Prodigal Son). Helped me through an evacuation due to civil war and three moves in my first six months as a Nazarene missionary (Way of the Heart). Helped me see the significance of my work with organic church movements in west Africa and north America (Reaching Out). Love this guy, a real spiritual mentor for me. I encourage people to read his books whenever I can.” (A Nazarene college professor)


“In the Name of Jesus” has given me such encouragement time after time since college. And “Compassion” is a powerful, powerful book.” (a Nazarene pastor)

It is sad to see so many pastors in the Church of the Nazarene being deceived by the writings of a man who was not even a Christian. He was a false Christian, and a universalist. No wonder the church is in such pitiful spiritual condition. Those who are in positions of leadership and pastoring a Christian church will be held much more responsible by the Lord for promoting this man’s writing that is inspired by satan, not the Spirit of God.


The Fifth Column: Corrupt Leaders

I have seen material sent out by the New England District Superintendent that promotes writers who are mystics. My former pastor was proud of his library, once showing me his books which included such authors as Henri Nouwen and Thomas Merton. Books by Merton, Nouwen and other mystics are being used in theology curriculums in the universities and seminary. Pastors are quoting Mother Theresa and other heretical mystics from Roman Catholicism- in their sermons! A pastor preached a Christmas sermon recently- all about Mary, and her co-partnership with the Savior. This stuff is straight out of Roman Catholicism!


I recently listened to a sermon titled “The Fifth Column.” It starts by describing this phrase that was used by a military leader, to describe how he will use a stealth group of loyalists hidden within the city, to weaken it and prepare for a final and decisive assault. The destruction of the church will be from within, as corrupt pastors slowly deceive undiscerning church members with the demonic influence of these mystics. We can no longer just call it “dubious”. We cannot just call it “not advisable”. We absolutely must not call it “a difference of viewpoints.”

We must call it what it is: demonic, unbiblical, destructive to the church, and we must call out the leaders and pastors who are promoting these false teachings.


Manny Silva




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Why Does Point Loma Nazarene University Promote Henri Nouwen?

“Today I personally believe that while Jesus came to open the door to God’s house, all human beings can walk through that door, whether they know about Jesus or not. Today I see it as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God” (Henri Nouwen)

That is just one of many unbiblical quotes by the late Roman Catholic mystic, universalist, and Buddhist sympathizer Henri Nouwen. So why did Point Loma Nazarene University give space to promote a two day weekend seminar at San Diego University?

Here is the Point Loma advertisement for it on their website. Note also that there are three speakers connected to Point Loma, including Professor Rebecca Laird.

nouwen seminar

This is not the first time that we have seen this trend regarding Henri Nouwen and Nazarenes. You will find his books in the theology curriculum at Nazarene universities, including the seminary. Many Nazarene pastors use his books for resources, and not to expose his false teachings- but to promote them. Why? Following is a summary of Henri Nouwen and his writings and false teachings.


The following is an excerpt from the book by David Cloud, CONTEMPLATIVE MYSTICISM: A POWERFUL ECUMENICAL BOND.

Henri J.M. Nouwen (1932-1996) was a Roman Catholic priest who taught at Harvard, Yale, and the University of Notre Dame. Nouwen has had a vast influence within the emerging church and evangelicalism at large through his writings, and he has been an influential voice within the contemplative movement. A Christian Century magazine survey conducted in 2003 found that Nouwen’s writings were a first choice for Catholic and mainline Protestant clergy. Nouwen is promoted by Christian leaders as diverse as Robert Schuller and Rick Warren (who highly recommends Nouwen’s contemplative book In the Name of Jesus).
Nouwen’s biographer said that he “had a homosexual orientation” (Michael Ford, Wounded Prophet, 1999).

Nouwen did not instruct his readers that one must be born again through repentance and personal faith in Jesus Christ in order to commune with God. The book With Open Hands, for example, instructs readers to open themselves up to God and surrender to the flow of life, believing that God loves them unconditionally and is leading them. This is blind faith. Nouwen wrote:

“When we pray, we are standing with our hands open to the world. We know that God will become known to us in the nature around us, in people we meet, and in situations we run into. We trust that the world holds God’s secret within and we expect that secret to be shown to us” (With Open Hands, 2006, p. 47).

Nouwen did not instruct his readers to beware of false spirits and to test everything by the Scriptures. He taught them, rather, to trust that God is leading in and through all things and that they should “test” things by their own “vision.” He denied the biblical teaching that man is a fallen creature with a darkened heart that can only be enlightened through the new birth.

Nouwen was deeply involved in contemplative mysticism. He was strongly influenced by Thomas Merton and wrote a book about him in 1972 (Pray to Live: Thomas Merton–Contemplative Critic). Nouwen also mentioned Merton in his books Intimacy (1969) and Creative Ministry (1971).

In his book In the Name of Jesus, Nouwen said that Christians must move “from the moral to the mystical.”

Nouwen claimed that contemplative meditation is necessary for an intimacy with God:

“I do not believe anyone can ever become a deep person without stillness and silence” (quoted by Chuck Swindoll, So You Want to Be Like Christ, p. 65).

He taught that the use of a mantra could take the practitioner into God’s presence.

“The quiet repetition of a single word can help us to descend with the mind into the heart … This way of simple prayer … opens us to God’s active presence” (The Way of the Heart, p. 81).

He said that mysticism and contemplative prayer can create ecumenical unity because Christian leaders learn to hear “the voice of love”:

“Through the discipline of contemplative prayer, Christian leaders have to learn to listen to the voice of love. … For Christian leadership to be truly fruitful in the future, a movement from the moral to the mystical is required” (In the Name of Jesus, pp. 6, 31, 32).

In fact, if Christians are listening to the voice of the true and living God, they will learn that love is obedience to the Scriptures. “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous” (1 John 5:3).

Nouwen, like Thomas Merton and many other Catholic contemplatives, combined the teaching of eastern gurus with ancient Catholic practices. In his book Pray to Live Nouwen relates approvingly Merton’s heavy involvement with Hindu monks (pp. 19-28).

In his foreword to Thomas Ryan’s book Disciplines for Christian Living, Nouwen says:

“[T]he author shows a wonderful openness to the gifts of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Moslem religion. He discovers their great wisdom for the spiritual life of the Christian and does not hesitate to bring that wisdom home” (Disciplines for Christian Living, p. 2).

Nouwen’s involvement with mysticism led him to a form of universalism and panentheism (God is in all things).

“The God who dwells in our inner sanctuary is the same as the one who dwells in the inner sanctuary of each human being” (Here and Now, p. 22).

“Prayer is ‘soul work’ because our souls are those sacred centers WHERE ALL IS ONE … It is in the heart of God that we can come to the full realization of THE UNITY OF ALL THAT IS” (Bread for the Journey, 1997, Jan. 15 and Nov. 16).

In his final book Nouwen described his universalist doctrine as follows:

“Today I personally believe that while Jesus came to open the door to God’s house, all human beings can walk through that door, whether they know about Jesus or not. Today I see it as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God” (Sabbatical Journey, New York: Crossroad, 1998, p. 51).

He claimed that every person who believes in a higher power and follows his or her vision of the future is of God and is building God’s kingdom:

“We can see the visionary in the guerilla fighter, in the youth with the demonstration sign, in the quiet dreamer in the corner of a café, in the soft-spoken monk, in the meek student, in the mother who lets her son go his own way, in the father who reads to his child from a strange book, in the smile of a girl, in the indignation of a worker, and in every person who in one way or another dreams life from a vision which is seen shining ahead and which surpasses everything ever heard or seen before” (With Open Hands, p. 113).

“Praying means breaking through the veil of existence and allowing yourself to be led by the vision which has become real to you. Whether we call that vision ‘the Unseen Reality,’ ‘the total Other,’ ‘the Spirit,’ or ‘the Father,’ we repeatedly assert that it is not we ourselves who possess the power to make the new creation come to pass. It is rather a spiritual power which has been given to us and which empowers us to be in the world without being of it” (p. 114).

The radical extent of Nouwen’s universalism is evident by the fact that the second edition of With Open Hands has a foreword by Sue Monk Kidd. She is a New Ager who promotes worship of the goddess! Her book The Dance of the Dissident Daughter: A Woman’s Journey from Christian Tradition to the Sacred Feminine was published in 1996, a decade before she was asked to write the foreword to Nouwen’s book on contemplative prayer. Monk Kidd worships herself.

“Today I remember that event for the radiant mystery it was, how I felt myself embraced by Goddess, how I felt myself in touch with the deepest thing I am. It was the moment when, as playwright and poet Ntozake Shange put it, ‘I found god in myself/ and I loved her/ I loved her fiercely’” (The Dance of the Dissident Daughter, p. 136).

“Over the altar in my study I hung a lovely mirror sculpted in the shape of a crescent moon. It reminded me to honor the Divine Feminine presence in myself, the wisdom in my own soul” (p. 181).

Sue Monk Kidd’s journey from the traditional Baptist faith (as a Sunday School teacher in a Southern Baptist congregation) to goddess worship began when she started delving into Catholic contemplative spirituality, practicing centering prayer and attending Catholic retreats.

Nouwen taught that God is only love, unconditional love.

“Don’t be afraid to offer your hate, bitterness, and disappointment to the One who is love and only love. … [Pray] ‘Dear God, … what you want to give me is love–unconditional, everlasting love’” (With Open Hands, pp. 24, 27).

In fact, God’s love is not unconditional. It is unfathomable but not unconditional. Though God loves all men and Christ died to make it possible for all to be saved, there is a condition for receiving God’s love and that is acknowledging and repenting of one’s sinfulness and receiving Jesus Christ as one’s Lord and Saviour.

Further, God is not only love; He is also holy and just and light and truth. This is what makes the cross of Jesus Christ necessary. An acceptable atonement had to be made for God’s broken law.

We conclude with the following discerning warning from Lighthouse Trails:

“For skeptics in Christian circles (professors, pastors, teachers, etc.) who are touting and promoting the writings of Henri Nouwen, let it be known that you are promoting the writings of Thomas Merton–they are one in the same. They both believed in the importance of eastern-style meditation, and they both came to believe there were many paths to God and divinity dwelt in all things and people. Not only are Nouwen’s books evidence of this, but there is record of nearly thirty years of journals, articles, forewords to others books, talks, and interviews where Nouwen espouses the path of mysticism” (“Why Christian Leaders Should Not Promote Henri Nouwen,” Lighthouse Trails, Nov. 21, 2008).
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In response to those who are defending the decision by Trevecca Nazaene University to cancel an event about national security on their campus, I wanted to address the two prominent groups involved in this situation, both of which have labelled Mae Beavers and her colleagues as anti-Muslim or as hate groups.

FIRST, THE SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center)

Does anyone believe the following organizations are hate groups?

American Family Association, Family Research Council, Liberty Council, MassResistance, D. James Kennedy Ministries.

You see, these organizations have been labeled by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups. For example, I am extremely familiar with and an active supporter of MassResistance, which is doing incredible work to fight the extremist agenda of homosexual activist groups that promote homosexuality in Massachusetts schools. Their stellar work has led them to be an influence not only in other states, but also abroad in other countries concerned about the radical homosexual agenda. Yet, the Southern Poverty Law Center will label them and any other group a hate group if it declares homosexuality a sin, or if it works against activist groups that push the homosexual agenda to young children in the schools.  Does anyone really believe that the Family Research Council is a hate group?

Recently, pastor Sean Williams wrote an article in support of Trevecca Nazarene University’s decision to cancel an appearance by Republican gubernatorial candidate Mae Beavers. One of the concerning conclusions I got out of that article was this:

So then, all it will take for Trevecca and other Christian schools to cancel an organization’s appearance on their campus is for the SPLC to label them a hate group. Does that sound right and fair to you? Does anyone agree with the SPLC’s characterization of any of these groups I mentioned that they are hate groups, solely because of their biblical stance on homosexuality? By any logical extension, anyone who believes homosexuality is a sin or is against radical homosexual activism in the schools, is also a hater.

Other groups that they consider hateful are the following, because of their conservative and lawful stance on immigration:

American Border Patrol, California Coalition for Immigration Reform, Federation for American Immigration Reform, Concerned Citizens and Friends of Illegal Immigration Law Enforcement.

These groups are opposed to illegal immigration and advocate for enforcement of existing laws in this country. Because of that, they are called hateful by the SPLC. By extension then, anyone opposed to illegal immigration is a hateful person.

Then there are the supposedly anti-Muslim groups or people that they consider haters. I list a few here that I know about very well, and I know they are not hate groups:

ACT for America; David Horowitz Freedom Center; Jihad Watch; Shoebat Foundation; Center for Security Policy; and Islam: the Religion of Peace (which I quote later on).

Some of these groups are run by former Islamists or by former Muslims who are opposed to the goals of radical Islam. They are a rational voice in the midst of all the noise being made by politically correct appeasers to radical Islam, and that is why they are labeled haters by the SPLC.

SECONDLY, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations):

This group is a notorious neo-Jihadi group in the United States that pretends to be a civil rights organization. While complaining often of petty or perceived slights against Muslim-Americans, they turn a blind eye to far more serious issues such as the human rights violations in the Islamic world.

The Religion of Peace website lists 10 Basic Facts about CAIR:

  • CAIR was created by the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamic supremacist organization that pioneered 20th century Islamic terrorism and sanctions violence against civilians.
  • CAIR only has about 5,000 members, despite a membership fee of just $10.
  • CAIR represents the opinions of only 12% of Muslim-Americans according to Gallup.
  • CAIR receives financial support from foreign powers who have also provided direct support to Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda and Hamas.
  • CAIR has solicited money from sponsors of terror and received financial support from convicted terrorists.
  • CAIR founders have praised terrorists to Muslim audiences and said that suicide bombers are acting on behalf of Islam.
  • CAIR has raised funds for terrorists under the guise of helping 9/11 victims.
  • CAIR board members have called for the overthrow of the United States and the imposition of Islamic law.  CAIR has suggested applying Sharia punishment (ie. the death penalty) to users who criticize Islam on the Internet.
  • At least 15 high-level CAIR staff members have been under federal investigation for ties to Islamic terror.
  • CAIR has discouraged Muslim-Americans from cooperating with law enforcement and has spent more time and money advocating on behalf of convicted terrorists than for their victims.

CAIR’s true goal is to advance Islam, and to advance it in the Unite States to the fullest extent possible. It is a real hate group operating under the guise of “peace”, and I believe Trevecca Nazarene University has bowed its knee to CAIR for the sake of political correctness. The argument was made by pastor Sean Williams in his piece that we need to protect others who are missionaries in foreign countries, solely because two groups have labeled Mae Beavers and related groups as haters.

Well, then, this is rather unfortunate. So now, every organization that looks to CAIR and the SPLC as the arbiter of who is hateful or not, will have succumbed to the arm-twisting of two groups who truly can be considered hateful. How ironic, is it not? And wouldn’t it be ironic if someday, these two hate groups put the Church of the Nazarene on their hate group list?  With this logic applied, it seems that you will never see the Family Research Council ever being invited, or allowed to use any Trevecca Nazarene University facilities, unless they are taken off the SPLC hate list.  What does this say about Dr. Dan Boone and his reasoning for cancelling Mae Beaver’s event?

Some on the Concerned Nazarene Solutions site have argued that Mae Beavers and her colleagues are hateful and deserved to have their event cancelled. Several of us pressed them for direct and clear explanations as to why they consider them haters- and they failed to give any direct evidence, only telling us to do “your own research; you can easily find out yourself.” That is cowardly, and that kind of answer has no credibility. When you accuse someone of something, be ready to show the evidence. I have shown the evidence here about these two groups. You may not like it, but the case is made with facts, which others have refused to present in their attacks on Mae Beavers.


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Under Dan Boone’s Leadership, a Christian University Compromises with Radical Islam

“…I am deepening in the mystical forms of prayer.” (Dr. Dan Boone)

The above statement is a reflection of the paganistic ideas that guide Dr. Dan Boone’s theology. Dr. Boone is eventually going to run two Christian colleges into the ground. It’s just a matter of time, and perhaps that is what needs to happen. Trevecca Nazarene University has been going downhill spiritually thanks to his leadership. Let’s look at his latest decision, or non-decision, which demonstrates his lack of courage to stand against political correctness and radical Islam. It seems he wants to be their friend, even as he has a history of talking ugly against “fundamental Bible-believers.”  The Church of the Nazarene needs some real leadership that is sorely lacking.

Here, see for yourselves:

In summary, Dr. Boone has allowed Trevecca to cave to one of the most radical Islamic groups in the world. CAIR, which operates here in the United States, claims to be a moderate group interested in peace, but it is far from what it claims. Several years ago, CAIR was identified as a major financial contributor to the Holy Land Foundation, which funneled major money to Hamas, a terrorist group dedicated to the destruction of Israel. CAIR was named as an un-indicted co-conspirator. CAIR is a radical wolf in sheep’s clothing, and Dan Boone has kissed their ring finger.

So what happened in Kentucky? A Homeland Security Summit scheduled for Jan. 25 at Trevecca Nazarene University was suddenly cancelled. It was sponsored by Republican gubernatorial candidate and former State Senator Mae Beavers. Dr. Boone explained that it was cancelled because of complaints from “alumni.”


Here is Dr. Boone’s excuse:

“Throughout our history, Trevecca has consistently offered political candidates of both parties the opportunity to use our campus for events. We strongly believe that our students benefit from proximity to the voting process, and that freedom of speech is a foundation of American democracy.

However, a recent event tentatively scheduled to be held on our campus appears to have an agenda beyond a political campaign. This event would distract from our commitment to community building, education, and support of a diverse enrollment. Our agenda of Christian education in the heart of Nashville requires that we serve the best interests of this mission. For this reason, the planned event will not be held on Trevecca’s campus.”

Here is CAIR’s standard reaction to anyone who opposes their radicalism:

“It’s kind of a who’s who of Islamophobes. The themes are always the same – Muslims are about to take over the country and install sharia in place of the Constitution, and mosques are hotbeds of extremism.” ( CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper)

This is part of Mae Beaver’s response:

“Today Trevecca has abandoned the Biblical principles that they preach in order to embrace political correctness and promote the interests of those who deny Christ and stand opposed to everything the University has represented in the past.”


Dr. Boone And The Real Radicals

Dr. Boone has a history of harsh criticism of Bible-believers, and clearly continues to exhibit a pattern of cow-towing to the politically correct world and radical Islam. He wants to be their friend. He wants to show how “loving” and “tolerant” and “understanding” he can be. He demonstrates, as Mae Beaver pointed out, that he is a supporter of Christ-deniers, and has little concern for Christians.

A few years ago, Dr. Boone made a curious decision to welcome a group on campus that was fundamentally opposed to the biblical view of homosexuality. But for the sake of some kind of compassionate dialogue, Dr. Boone allowed the radical homosexual group SoulForce to come onto campus and spout their un-Christian views. There was no problem for Dr. Boone in allowing promoters of sexual sin to invade the Trevecca campus. Here is the link to the article I wrote:

Yet he sees a great concern with folks coming to campus to talk about the security of our nation and what to do about radical Islam. Dr. Boone is either a friend of radical Islam, or he does not have the moral courage to stand up to it. That is why he will run Trevecca as well as Eastern Nazarene College into the ground of moral relativism.


Dr. Boone Is The Real Radical

Dr. Boone has compared Bible-Believing Christians to Islamic fundamentalists. He says that our appetites have been whetted “by religious blood in the water.” (

If you were to ever have a conversation with him about the Scriptures, you may just see him become a bit uncomfortable if you express your belief in the infallible, inerrant word of God. If you talk long enough about your complete trust in God’s word, and in your belief in the creation account, he may just very well turn beet-red! You see, he was one of the prime writers of the now-defunct Nazarenes Exploring Evolution, whose website has ignominiously disappeared along with their ungodly articles espousing evolution.

Dr. Boone is also into mysticism and Roman Catholic rituals like “practicing the silence”. Dr. Boone once said on his profile at Nazarene Theological Seminary (it is now gone) that “…I am deepening in the mystical forms of prayer.”

His affinity for contemplative spirituality is demonstrated by the prayer labyrinths he popularized at Trevecca for years. When I posted a few articles on the labyrinth at Trevecca, he started calling them prayer paths or prayer walks.

He has long promoted yearly trips for students to the Gethsemani Monastery in Kentucky, a site that was the spiritual home of the Roman Catholic mystic, Thomas Merton. Here at this retreat, students have the opportunity to “practice the silence”, which is nothing more than Catholic mysticism that has no roots in biblical teaching. The “spiritual discipline” of silence is a doctrine of demons.

Dr. Boone is just another in a long line of Nazarenes rushing to hold hands with the Roman Catholic Church.

Dr. Boone promotes one of the leading teachers of contemplative mysticism, false teacher Richard Foster. As an example, Foster makes the amazing claim that non-believers can also practice the Christian spiritual disciplines: “We need not be well advanced in matters of theology to practice the Disciplines. Recent converts–for that matter people who have yet to turn their lives over to Jesus Christ–can and should practice them” (Celebration of Discipline, 1978, p. 2).

Dr. Boone has called Thomas Merton and Ignatius of Loyola spiritual giants.
Merton was not a spiritual giant- he was a monk who said that he was “deeply impregnated with Sufism” because he believed that Eastern mysticism was compatible with and could be incorporated into Christianity.  He placed Mary high on a level equal to Jesus, he prayed to many Catholic saints.  He was influenced by Aldous Huxley, who found enlightenment through hallucinogenic drugs.

Ignatius of Loyola was no wiser, and as the founder of the Jesuits he brutally persecuted Christians and swore complete submission to the pope.  As most Roman Catholics do, he venerated Mary.  He practiced extreme asceticism, living in a cave for a year and never bathing.  He also promoted and taught visualization prayers, breath prayers, and other unbiblical practices (Source: David Cloud, Way of Life).  Yet, Dan Boone calls him a spiritual giant.

In a letter to Nazarene pastors he wrote in 2009, Dr. Boone not only erroneously claimed that the Roman Catholic church was the only church for 1500 years after Christ, but he also exposed more error along with his ecumenical get along with everyone philosophy.  How is it that we can “be one” with the Roman Catholic Church?

“While Nazarenes are different from Catholics in very significant ways, we believe that we will share eternity with them in the presence of the Christ who prayed that we might be one.” (Dan Boone)

His philosophy seems to be that anyone who claims the name of Jesus, no matter their belief otherwise, will spend eternity with Christ. This is contrary to Jesus’s teaching, and indicates Dr. Boone’s dangerous and ignorant thinking as he misleads others.

Dr. Boone may become a General Superintendent one day, and it will be no surprise. He knows how to play the game well. He is a friend to the LGBTQ agenda, and has demonstrated his support for them. He fought hard at the General Assembly in 2013 to water down the statement on human sexuality. He would be welcomed eagerly by Love Wins: LGBT, Andy McGee, as well as the leadership of the Dutch Nazarene district and other districts and churches that are slowly inching towards the normalization of homosexuality. It’s just a matter of time.

Such a man is what it will take to further go down the road of biblical compromise in the church. It is a road to further heresy and the destruction of a holiness denomination. And we still hear nothing from the General Superintendents about anything- all is well.



Additional Documentation Related To Dan Boone:

Dan Boone’s Involvement with Promoting Evolution

Dan Boone’s Dislike of Bible Believers

Dan Boone’s Involvement with SoulForce (LGBT advocates)

My Conversation with Dan Boone:

A Charitable Discourse?

Labyrinths and Prayer Stations



Sad Time For The Nazarene Church: A Nazarene Pastor’s Desire For Revival

The Church of the Nazarene needs more voices of holiness pastors to sound the alarm to the people.  I call upon all Nazarene pastors who cherish the truth of God’s holy word, who love their denomination, who love their people, and most of all, who love the Lord Jesus Christ, to speak the truth.  Here is one of those voices.  Thank you brother Kirby for not being silent.

Charles Kirby  Charles Kirby, Charles Kirby Ministries

Our Mission:  Charles and Bess Kirby have spent 56 years in pastoral ministry, pastoring some of the fastest growing and largest Nazarene churches in the denomination. The last 19 years were at Lake Gibson church in Lakeland, Florida that experienced incredible growth under their leadership. It is obvious God had a plan for them from the beginning in 1961 to resurrect, restore and bring healing to declining churches across America. Every church they have pastored has needed restoration. That has been their ministry from the beginning.   Click here for highlights of their ministries.

A Sad Time For The Nazarene Church

The bones of Phineas F. Bresee, founder of the Church of the Nazarene in 1908, are rattling in his grave in Los Angeles. The doctrine of Scriptural holiness he had preached as the pastor of the First Methodist Church of Los Angeles he was inspired by the Holy Spirit to bring to the new church. The doctrine and the new church spread like wild-fire across America. Scriptural holiness has been the distinguishing doctrine of the Nazarene Church from the very beginning until now. However, compromisers and liberal preachers are doing all they can to destroy the foundational roots that have guided the church through the years.

It guided my parents into the church in 1944 during a revival with the silver-tongued orator, Dr. L.B. Hicks as the evangelist in what became our home church, the First Nazarene Church in Jackson, Tennessee. I preached my first sermon from that pulpit on March 28, 1957, 60 years ago this past March. I have been a career Nazarene pastor for 56 years, pastoring churches across America, the last 19 years at Lake Gibson Nazarene in Lakeland, Florida. It has been an incredible journey for Bess and me!

During this journey of a lifetime, I have been faithful to proclaim God’s Word without fear or favor, and remain true to the doctrines of the Church, including the fullness of the Holy Spirit in every believer’s life through the experience of entire sanctification and Scriptural holiness.

Dr. Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky, states, “For some time now, it has been increasingly clear that every congregation in the nation will be forced to declare itself openingly on the issue of same- sex marriage. That moment of decision and public declaration will come to every Christian believer, individually. There will be no place to hide, and no place safe from eventful interrogation. The question will be asked, and invitation will be extended, a matter of policy must be decided, and there will be no refuge.”

Ladies and gentleman, I never dreamed the day would come when I would be forced and directed by the Holy Spirit to write these lines about my denomination. But that time has come and I cannot be silent! An indication that our moral resolve is weakening, and we are questioning our moral responsibility and leadership as Nazarenes occurred on the floor of the Nazarene General Assembly this past June when 97% of the delegates voted to remove the word “Perversion” from the Nazarene Manual statement on human sexuality as related to homosexuality. Since when did this behavior cease to be a perversion? Our overwhelming action on this appears to be indicative that we have lost our moral courage as a church, and are now more concerned about not offending someone.

  Perhaps the most alarming and disturbing action associated with all of this also occurred during the past General Assembly when leadership of the Nazarene Church permitted for the very first time an exhibition of the rainbow flag and the LGBT letters…worldwide symbols of the homosexual movement.   Click HERE to see the Nazarene Church web site that is sponsoring the booth.  Allowing for the appearance of the rainbow flag and the LGBT letters in full display at an exhibition booth at a Nazarene General Assembly may have seemed innocuous, but it is not. If anything it was naive and foolish, and a betrayal of trust, and I cannot be silent!

I have told general church leaders the past few years that the Nazarene Church was in serious trouble and in a state of decline, but to no avail. I have based the fact of that statement on the response I have received from viewers to my messages from the worldwide web aired from the pulpit of Lake Gibson Church. It has been overwhelming when I have preached against the culture changing the Church rather than the Church changing the culture, and being Biblically correct rather than politically correct.

The only thing that can save us is a mighty move of the Holy Spirit to fill every pulpit in the church until preachers will experience the powerful anointing of God’s Spirit, to be bold in proclaiming the truth found in the Word of God without compromise…a modern day Great Awakening!

Dear God, please revive Your Church!

Charles Kirby


Saved, Sanctified, Sacramental Nazarene Pastors: Hypocrites In Their Own Words

“Your own mouth condemns you, not mine; your own lips testify against you.” Job 15:6

Everyone who is in a battle for the truth and dealing with corrupt shepherds and false pastors, will get the same treatment. It is what they do best, because they have abandoned the truth. It does not matter whether you are a “nobody”, or a pastor, or a college president. They will try to take you down and make you out to be a hater, or a fool, or un-Christ like if you don’t go along with their false doctrines. And the response to these people is to just keep exposing the “unfruitful works of darkness…and reprove them. Don’t back down from them. Jesus did not back down. Paul did not back down. Neither should we.”

(The comments that I am pointing out today by certain pastors are nothing new to me. They have been directed at me and others for years, and we are used to it. If I wrote an article for every time such comments surfaced in public, it would be pointless and distracting from my ministry to do so. Once in a while, however, I believe it is necessary to call out those in responsible positions (pastors especially) who speak in ways that are outside of what God expects from pastors).

If a pastor were to attack someone’s theology and doctrine, I would have very little problem in dealing with a fair argument and disagreement. But when they attack the person rather than the positions of that person, then they need to be exposed for their behavior. If you are a pastor, you especially need to take ownership for your public pronouncements. If any of these pastors are embarrassed from what I show you today, they have no one to blame but themselves. Matthew 18 does not apply in such situations, since they have already pronounced their judgments publicly.

Sacramental Nazarenes is a liberal-leaning Nazarene FaceBook group. I believe there is something very wrong with some of the pastors in this group. These are the kind of pastors that are unlike those I have known, such as my father and father-in-law. In all my life, I never heard those two men speak in such ways as these pastors do. I believe that these folks need the Holy Spirit to touch them at the core of their soul. I feel sorry for them, especially since they seem to believe they can hurt me by throwing insults my way. These people are living sad lives when they focus so much on me, because it is all so much more than about me.  It is about false doctrines in the church and the wolves that have crept into the church! Yet, they continue with this bizarre and obsessive focus on me. Perhaps it is a way of assuaging their guilt in some way.

Sacramental Nazarene Admins And Their View of Homosexuality

Before we go on to what they wrote, look at part of Sacramental Nazarene’s basic statement:

“What this group is NOT…a place to: debate divisive topics like politics or homosexuality; criticize, label, judge, rant or condescend(Group admins reserve the right to delete posts they deem inappropriate.)”

Isn’t it odd that a sin such as homosexuality would even need to be seriously debated? But on the other hand, why would debating about any kind of sinful sexual behavior be considered divisive? Do they also consider other sexual sins such as adultery, or lust, or pornography, or fornication, or incest, as also being divisive topics and unworthy of “debate?”
Is homosexuality a special thing that has special meaning to them? Do some of these pastors even believe homosexuality is a sin? How many of these pastors would clearly and without ambiguity declare that homosexuality is a sin? Think about how these folks might view homosexuality in the light of this position statement. I do not believe it should be taken lightly. I believe it is part of their makeup, part of their leanings towards acceptance and “affirmation.” This is very dangerous in my opinion, and any statement such as “we are in alignment with the ‘polity’ and manual of the Church of the Nazarene” should never be taken as the final answer.

Oh the irony and hypocrisy of it all, as apparently the rants, the judging, the condescension directed at me is okay with the admins of this group.

Sacramental Nazarene Pastors And Their Behavior

The discussion was started by an ordained Nazarene pastor, Greg Farra. He is a member of NazNet, a Nazarene group that is dominated by emergent church and liberal types who promote non-Christian ideology. Here is what he said, after apparently going through my blog with a fine-tooth comb searching for an “indicting” statement, and then predictably putting his own spin to it (“refused to admit it publicly”).



Note the “seriousness” of ordained pastor Greg Farra, who I am sure would have no problem with prayer labyrinths or praying the rosary. He, like most of these Sacramental Nazarenes, is highly interested in Roman Catholic ways, with formal rituals and procedures, with wearing collars that imitate Catholic priests. He and his friends seem far less concerned with true Christianity, biblical doctrine, and holiness. He is more concerned with ecumenicalism and compromise with the world. My opposition to ecumenicalism is only one of the reasons that he tries to use me as a punching bag. What a waste of his time.

But more seriously, Greg Farra believes in the Roman Catholic heresy of transubstantiation- the belief that the bread and wine of communion actually does become the real body and blood of Christ. This is heresy being introduced by a Nazarene pastor! And they call me crazy and not a true Nazarene?   I wonder what the General Superintendents think of this? What does his District Superintendent think of this?

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Bob Hunter


Bob Hunter is interesting. He has gone after me for years and said many nasty things about me, mostly on NazNet discussions until I was cast out for doing far less than most of these guys say. I don’t know what his status is today, but I believe in the past he was an ordained Nazarene pastor. I could be wrong. Nevertheless, please pray for Bob.

Greg Farra’s Way Of Handlng All Matters


Greg’s seemingly cavaliar attitude towards the principle of “defending the faith” speaks loudly when he talks about the ELCA. After his previous derogatory words, pastor Greg says that he wants to “approach all matters in love first and foremost.”   But then…


It did not take long for Greg Farra to forget his determination to “approach all matters in love first and foremost.”   That is called hypocrisy. This is what they always do. They speak from one side of the mouth and do something different soon after. “Clouds without water… fruitless trees… wild waves of the sea.”

David Troxler

David Troxler is a pastor in the New England District. I assume David claims to be a saved, sanctified Nazarene. Here then are the judgmental words of a saved, sanctified Nazarene as he talks about me:

“so against joy”, “bitter spirit of judgmentalism”, “personal crusade against all things of the Spirit”, “he is to be pitied for his condition”.

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Note to David: My wife, my pastor, my few close Christian friends who know me pretty well, would certainly have taken me aside and lovingly spoken to me in the hopes of helping me. But you obviously think otherwise. You judge me like that, rather than refuting the actual specific claims that I always make. You cannot do that because you have no biblical argument, so you resort to ugly, personal attacks. Tell me, if a Christian from your church were to express their concerns like I do, would you treat them the same way? I will pray for you too.

Bob Hunter’s Psychoanalysis

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And then Bob Hunter chimes in with the usual phoney psychological analysis he has been doing for years on me. I wonder if he can be charged with practicing without a license?  Several years ago, Bob expressed the desire to come to my house with his dog so his dog could do something on my front lawn. This was also said publicly, although it was one of the milder things he has said about me.

Gary Creely Thinks I Want To Make Nazarenes Into Something Else


Note to Gary: A diversionary tactic by Rev. Gary Creely, used by many of his friends. I know exactly what it is that the Church of the Nazarene has traditionally believed, until folks like you came along. And no Gary, I am not, nor ever have tried to change any denomination to something else. What I have tried to do for over eight years is to simply warn as many Nazarenes as possible about pastors like you, who are dedicated to changing the Nazarene denomination into more of a resemblance of Roman Catholicism, than the holiness denomination it claims it is. Bad, bad analysis Gary, especially since you have been reading my blog for so many years. You ought to know by now what purpose God has called me for, and it is to expose the false teachings and you and your friends have been promoting for years.

David Troxler Insults My Father:

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So David Troxler, as others have done lately, manages to insult the late Rev. Ilidio Silva. David was not satisfied to stop with insulting me.

David, if you are reading this, you obviously have no idea who my father was. If you did, you would know that he was the epitome of what it means to be a Nazarene, and he would have no trouble with what I am doing. Did you know that he was a Roman Catholic as a young man when he was saved from that evil religion; the same religion that so many, including you David, are making excuses for and holding hands with? He would never have accepted this compromise that you and so many New Englanders are involved with now. He was a true Nazarene, saved and sanctified, who would pray for hours early in the mornings for folks like you who have deviated from the true path of holiness teaching. Your words illustrate the pettiness so many of you show towards anyone who is against your liberal emergent church agenda. David, you need to repent, and ask God to clean your heart, and to put a right spirit within yo

Cam Pence Makes The Same Argument As Greg Farra


Cam Pence is also an ordained Nazarene pastor, and a longtime NazNetter. He also, in spite of being familiar with my writings, is delusioned by some idea that I want to turn the Nazarene church into fundamental Baptists- although I have no problem with Baptists. But he totally does not yet understand what I am doing, and why. Either that, or he is simply being disingenuous and does not want to admit what the battle is really all about in the Nazarene denomination.

One Reasonable Voice


I may be getting this last pastor in trouble, since I am commending him. But I must be fair about all this.

So there is Rich Schmidt. He is the only one from the “opposition” who spoke with a reasoned voice in all this. I don’t believe that in all my years at NazNet that he ever personally insulted me. I do believe he understands what the battle really is, and even though he disagrees with me on most of the issues, he did not step into the gutter as most of these pastors did. I respect that very much, and I believe Rich saw some of the comments for what they were, and tried to encourage some semblance of civility and fairness into their conversation. He did not speak out to agree with my views, but only to express a saner viewpoint that was a counterbalance to these hypocritical pastors and their very personal attacks.

The Conclusion: IT’S NOT ABOUT ME!!

The behavior of these hypocritical pastors illustrates that it is far from being about me. Not at all. We have seen in recent months the vicious attacks by Nazarene pastors and even some Nazarene leaders on Dr. Everett Piper, president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University. Dr. Piper is a voice of reason, a man of integrity, a truth teller. He is not one who seeks to “please men.” As Paul eloquently says in Galatians 1:10, so too Dr. Piper “would not be a servant of Christ if he tried to please men.” Yet, we have seen Love Wins:LGBT and their leadership blatantly telling lies about him, and not being held accountable for those lies.

We have seen Rev. Jeff Allen being excoriated by them, also being accused of telling lies. One pastor even recommended bringing charges against him, for telling the truth! We saw eight years ago how Pastor Joe Staniforth was driven out of the denomination, for speaking out against the heresies of the emergent church. We have heard of Jason Bjerke, being told by the New England District bigshots that he would not likely be ordained because he believed in the inerrancy of scripture. It is evident to me that they want the truth tellers and biblical pastors out of the church, and the heretics to be welcomed!

Folks, make no mistake, we are in a battle with evil within the church. Satan is using many pastors now to promote not only ecumenicalism, and contemplative spirituality, but now the LGBT homosexuality agenda. In fact, you really need to ask your own pastors to give you straight answers about their views on homosexuality. Their answer may not end up clarifying anything for you. Satan is using these people to try to shut up folks like me, but also to shut up pastors of integrity and honesty who do not wish to see the Church of the Nazarene go the way of an apostate denomination. Do NOT let them silence you!

Dr. Walter Martin was right a few years ago, when he said:

“the danger to the church, from within, is the person who wears the cloth of Christ… and who stands behind the sacred desk, and who is unfaithful to the word of God. That is the ultimate danger to the church. The corrupt and apostate shepherds who infest our theological seminaries and our colleges, and fill our pulpits… and who know not God, do not believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and will stand in the way of anybody that wants to preach it!   The cancer is within, and it eats away, and we don’t recognize it.  Or when we do recognize it, we don’t do anything about it. We are so careful to preserve the wolves in the church, and so slow to defend the faith of the church!”


Advice To Love Wins LGBT And Andy McGee: Remember The Ninth Commandment

“Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.” James 3:1

There is a sense of greater responsibility and accountability when a pastor accuses someone of lying, especially in public.  A pastor is not just any ordinary person, according to Scripture.  He is expected to be a role model, and a good example to others of Christ-like behavior.  Care must be taken that an accusation is supported with facts, otherwise the harm to the accused can have damaging and unfair repercussions.  Many of you reading this have experienced such damaging repercussions. This is about accountability of a public figure for his public statements.  This is about discernment.  This is about honesty. This is about calling out professing Christians in order to seek correction of their errors; nothing more.  I pray that this account will be used by the Holy Spirit to touch Andy McGee’s conscience and show him the truth.

False Accusations

On July 15, Andy McGee, the leader of the Love Wins:LGBT posted on his FaceBook page a statement that accused three people of posting lies about his ministry.  He called out Dr. Everett Piper, president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University, for posting screenshots that he says were “wildly taken out of context.”   He then brought a Nazarene pastor into the mix, Jeff Allen, who wrote a critique using the same screenshots of Andy’s statements, and Andy stated that the pastor does not like Andy or his ministry. He then pointed out that I also posted the same information on my blog (which I did).  And then came the accusation (the full text at end of article):


And so the leader of Love Wins:LGBT wants to refute the “lies”.  On Tuesday, July 25, I posted a question to Andy in that same thread.  I asked Andy when he may be writing his rebuttal to the “lies” that have been written about him.  Soon after, I was blocked by Andy, and he deleted my question. In the same post, he says that he has reached out to “each of these men”; but after asking him a pretty reasonable question, he blocked me.

Andy recently unblocked me so that he could tag me with a new post that he published. (I am however prevented from responding to anything he says). He wrote that he is praying for the three men he has accused of lying.  However, he has yet to either support his claim, or apologize for his accusation.  Here is part of what he wrote in this new post:

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What Will Andy Do?

It seems to me that the leader of Love Wins:LGBT is in a difficult situation.  If he never writes his rebuttal, he fails to show how any of these three men are liars, yet his accusation still remains for all to see on his page.  If he does write a rebuttal, how will he do it, since he would be rebutting his own words?  I don’t believe that Andy McGee, an ordained pastor in the Church of the Nazarene, ever intends to rebut any “lies.”  He cannot, because his very words are what were posted!  See the post Sounding The Alarm to read what he himself has said about various matters that are in question.  And keep in mind, this group is getting the support of their district as well as from the leaders of the denomination.

Retiring General Superintendent JK Warrick suggested at a district assembly recently that Andy should probably seek some kind of approval before posting anything on his website.  Is Andy that reckless that he needs prior approval before making statements about his ministry?   I actually agree with that assessment. It was also disappointing that Dr. Warrick called out Dr. piper for stating his concerns about the ministry of Love Wins:LGBT, a concern shared by many Nazarenes and other Christians.  I would like to know what any of the current active General Superintendents feel about the appropriateness of the Love Wins_LGBT agenda, including their inappropriate exhibit at General Assembly.

It is also very disappointing that Andy McGee and other ordained pastors in the Church of the Nazarene have gone after Dr. Piper and Rev. Jeff Allen for simply posting the very words of Andy McGee and stating their opinions as to the appropriateness and purpose of that ministry.  There are few people in such leadership positions as Dr. Piper that I have a great respect for.  Hardly anyone wants to tackle such difficult issues of our time anymore, yet Dr. Piper is willing to do that, and he does it with sound biblical reasoning.  Yet we see on his page countless examples of crude, insulting personal attacks by “pastors” who cannot reason using God’s word.

They then attack Rev. Jeff Allen, a courageous pastor, for also posting the very words of Andy McGee and giving his biblical opinion.  If we had more principled pastors throughout the denomination who were not afraid to speak the truth, perhaps the Church of the Nazarene would be in much better shape.  Sadly, way too many pastors are silent about these issues. 

Yet those same pastors who criticize us fail to justify Andy’s support of same-sex marriage activists, or his applause of National Coming Out Day, or his approval of the Gay Christian Network conference, or his approval of two female homosexual activists who are married.  Why is that?  I believe they are angry that “the light has exposed the darkness”, and the true agenda of Love Wins:LGBT is coming out (no pun intended). 

Why Can’t “Yes” Be Yes, and “No” Be No, For Andy And His Followers?

On the same thread that Andy wrote his promise to “rebut the lies”, we see a question asked of Andy:

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Andy’s reply was quite predictable:

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The word of the year seems to be: polity.  “Yes, we are in line with the polity of…and blah blah blah” is now the standard, template response to every pointed and direct question asked of Love Wins:LGBT.  It’s defenders use the same language in their support of Love Wins.  You cannot get them to answer a question with clarity. When you read the thread, it is almost as if the question was horrible and unreasonable, and yet, it simply is asking for clarity!  But there will be no clarity for a while, because when it finally comes, then the unmasking will happen, and even the gullible Nazarene leaders will have to admit: the Love Wins:LGBT  ministry is a deceptive fraud.

If you read the thread, you will see some of Andy’s supporters, including Rev. Antonie Holleman, chief writer of the five Holland papers on homosexuality that will soon be translated and sent out for you to come to your own conclusions about the Holland leadership and their homosexuality agenda.  Holleman and other supporters vigorously defend Love Wins_LGBT, even while others are excoriating anyone who dares to question this organization’s intentions.  Instead, the modus operandi is always the same: false accusations and demonization of truth tellers, and certainly this latest one takes the cake!  To accuse someone of lies, when that person simply repeated the very words spoken by the accuser? Surely that takes lots of chutpza!

Did God’s Word Tell A Lie Also?

 And then we see another accusation by Love Wins:LGBT, but this time they went after God’s word itself.  One of the resolutions at General Assembly, CA-724 was passed which simply stated that all people are born male or female.  This is pretty obvious, is a reflection of the biblical account, and I shardly needed to be stated in the Nazarene Manual!  Love Wins:LGBT’s position, however, is that God was wrong about this, and that the Bible did not get it right.  There is apparently a third gender called intersex, which refutes what the Bible says. For some bizarre reason, the resolution was later rescinded and slated for “further study” by the General Superintendents.  (We know what happened in 2013 with the Human Sexuality statement, don’t we, when it was tabled for further study).  This is yet another capitulation to the homosexuality agenda.

Here is how Love Wins:LGBT stated their objections:

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So the apparent position of Love Wins:LGBT is that any claim that God created only male and female and nothing else, is a “plainly seen, easily identified, and blatant lie.”  These are the very words of the leadership team of this organization.  And yet, they are allowed to promulgate this nonsense and much more, and now more recently at their district assembly in Kansas City, with the blessings of the district leadership.  What does this say about discernment and leaders making right decisions?  And this leads me to a final note about all this.

What This Is Really All About

This ultimately is not about Andy McGee, or Love Wins:LGBT.  This is about a holiness denomination that has been taking the wrong turn multiple times over the last several decades, and now has ended up going further down a dark alley. And yet, this ministry is setting a dangerous precedent, and I believe it is surely becoming a powerful influence within the Church of the Nazarene. I can almost see four years from now: Andy’s organization will not be the only one at General Assembly with the rainbow colors of the homosexual affirmation movement.  Oh no, my friends.  This is just the beginning… of the end.

So where is the leadership, and what are they saying about all this?  Hey, I don’t know.  Let me know when you find them, they don’t speak to me anymore.  One thing is for sure: they are in some ways responsible for allowing the enabling of this group and letting them take hold of much of the discussion about the Church of the Nazarene and its future.  The topic of homosexuality should not be the central topic of conversation in the church, but apparently it is in good running to be just that.

This is What You Ought To Do, Andy

Andy, if you are reading this, you have publicly charged three men of posting lies about you; a very serious charge indeed.  So I await your rebuttal of the “lies.”  I also would like to understand how anyone took your own statements “wildly out of context.”  This is what you promised to do.  You need to at least keep your word.

 Otherwise, you need to repent for your own sake, and apologize to those you have maligned with your public words.  I do not hate you.  I do not even dislike you.  Believe it or not, I care about you, Andy. This is not a personal thing; it is a matter of accountability.  I urge you to repent of what you are doing, stop hiding your agenda behind pre-programmed answers, and be completely honest with the people.

Manny Silva